Does a Rioter want to weigh in on this?

Yenn··4 votes·613 views

Third pick was angry at last pick over a game that happened yesterday. Last pick wanted LeBlanc, third pick wanted ADC, but third pick took Clarity/Clairvoyance LeBlanc, just to troll them. Last pick decided it was going to troll back, so it locked in Clarity/Revive Anivia. These two players intended to go through with these picks. Second pick dodged for us.

The key points here:

  • Two players decided to troll each other in a ranked game.
  • Everyone in this lobby was Diamond+ for at least two seasons.
  • The two trolls got away with no punishment.
  • An unrelated player sacrificed their time and LP, because of these two trolls.

Even if they had gone through with the game, they would not have been punished, unless they behaved like this regularly. Trolling one game every so often results in no repercussions, as we've all seen; you see the same players who are prone to behaving like this in your games, week after week.

This has been going on at Diamond for the past two years, and nothing has been done about it. There are only around 8,000 players here, and we consistently encounter the same people in our games. Why is it so unreasonable to expect some small amount of quality to be enforced at this rating?

EDIT: Just had a game where our Draven stopped playing, sat at the fountain, used all of his gold on wards, and kept ulting to prevent being flagged as AFK. His match history shows him having done this 13 times in the past two weeks.

21 Comments

Jubbinaut2 votes

Submit a support ticket. Include unedited versions of these images, along with the time of the game.

Pre-game logs are stored, even for cancelled lobbies. And those lobbies are still reportable - it's one of the purposes of the support ticket system.

CaptainTatertits1 votes

Not too long ago I was in queue with someone who didn't say anything until the game started. He apologized for not responding to the pregame shat, but he said he was on a temp ban from pregame chat. He said apparently support tickets were sent in about his pre-game antics, though he originally thought he was safe if he just bailed. I have no reason to doubt what he said is true. But yeah, just keep submitting valid tickets. That's all we can do.

Raptamei1 votes

People play millions of games each day. What were you suggesting Riot should do?

Zmuecat1 votes

Hire more staff.

Be harsher on ranked penalties.

Care (or at least appear to)

Raptamei1 votes

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Hire more staff.

Be harsher on ranked penalties.

Care (or at least appear to)

They will not hire 10000 people, sorry.

Zmuecat1 votes

Shit, I was unaware it was an all or nothing situation.

Shoulda threw in some ors, guess I'm outa luck.

Raptamei3 votes

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Shit, I was unaware it was an all or nothing situation.

Shoulda threw in some ors, guess I'm outa luck.

"I'm diamond. Riot should only care about diamond+"

Zmuecat1 votes

Don't even play ranked.

But yay for words in my mouth, can you at least put some bacon, candy, or other heart attack inducing deliciousness in there too? I'd appreciate it.

Yenn2 votes

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"I'm diamond. Riot should only care about diamond+"

Except by targeting Diamond+, you take a problem that is too large to solve and localize it to an area where it can be solved, and has the most impact.

Can you stop posting if you're just going to propose nothing be done, because there are too many players? Maybe we should all just give up trying to improve bad situations and just settle for doing nothing.

Jubbinaut2 votes

Have you established that something needs to be done, though?

This kind of behavior isn't ignored, by any means. It's not considered acceptable, and it is punished by the systems Riot currently has in place - it just isn't always brought to their attention.

You can do so by submitting Support tickets with screenshots and queue times to help them find the right logs.

Yenn1 votes

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Have you established that something needs to be done, though?

This kind of behavior isn't ignored, by any means. It's not considered acceptable, and it is punished by the systems Riot currently has in place - it just isn't always brought to their attention.

You can do so by submitting Support tickets with screenshots and queue times to help them find the right logs.

No, it's not punished. You get an automated response and nothing is done. What you don't seem to understand is that in Diamond, we play with the exact same people constantly.

I can watch someone repeatedly run into mid lane tower, submit a support ticket, get an automated 'lol we'll look into it,' and then get them in another game the next week.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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No, it's not punished. You get an automated response and nothing is done.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of every experience I've had using reports through the Support system.

But, y'know, okay. I just wonder where your proof is that nothing is done. I mean, a player could burn through a pretty sizable Ranked Restriction in a week, if they wanted to.

CaptainTatertits2 votes

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That's pretty much the exact opposite of every experience I've had using reports through the Support system.

But, y'know, okay. I just wonder where your proof is that nothing is done. I mean, a player could burn through a pretty sizable Ranked Restriction in a week, if they wanted to.

^^^ This. Their policy is that punishments aren't made public. They read and review each ticket according to their guidelines. I've manually reported very similar before, and I've been definitely satisfied with what I've gotten back from Riot.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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That's pretty much the exact opposite of every experience I've had using reports through the Support system.

But, y'know, okay. I just wonder where your proof is that nothing is done. I mean, a player could burn through a pretty sizable Ranked Restriction in a week, if they wanted to.

Actually, this has been a problem for a while. On old forums someone had a thread about another Diamond player intentionally ruining games for a long time, had submitted multiple tickets as they played with that person more than once, and well, they faced no penalty. It's not difficult to check whether someone was punished or not as all your games are public to anyone that knows your ign, your k/d/a, items bought, when the match took place, etc are easy to check.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Illuminati confirmed, I guess?

I mean, I guess I just don't understand how that's proof that nobody ever gets punished or whatever.

I also don't really understand how it's a meaningful instance. There are a lot of factors that determine what or whether actions are taken against an account. Can that player guarantee that all of those criteria were met? Or was it just guesswork?

Because here's the thing: a Diamond player intentionally ruining games either a) isn't going to remain Diamond for long, or b) isn't going to be ruining all that many games.

And there is a threshold before cases are built. In the long run, submitting a support ticket against a player does little more than act as yet another report - so if they're remaining below that threshold, even with those tickets, there's no case built. If there's no case built, there's no judgement.

The best option to dealing with situations like that is still Support tickets. Although I guess the alternative of fruitlessly complaining on the boards and downvoting people trying to offer the best advice towards resolution that they can is also an option. I just don't really see what's to be gained from it.

Yenn1 votes

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People play millions of games each day. What were you suggesting Riot should do?

And those of us at Diamond see the exact same people every day, or every couple of days. The pool at lower ratings is much larger, and you're less likely to see the same person repeatedly. It's more important that they deal with this behavior from the top down.

It's not unreasonable to expect higher rated players to be held to higher standards. It's not acceptable to say 'Oh, there are millions of players, we can't do anything to improve this situation!'

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Decrease the amount of idiots in LOL like the one listed above.

Learnding1 votes

{quoted}

People play millions of games each day. What were you suggesting Riot should do?

Not care and nerf Zed's attack spee..

Yenn1 votes

Example #2, I just had a game with someone who was intentionally feeding, then went AFK. After a few minutes, it came back, got a few assists, and went back to intentionally feeding.

I checked their match history and it's full of games where they blatantly AFK'd (one item, 0-1-0, 30 minute game) and have ridiculous scores like 0-11-1, over the past two weeks.

Yenn1 votes

I just had our Draven go AFK while the game was completely winnable, because he no longer felt like playing. He sat at the fountain and kept ulting to prevent being flagged as AFK, and using all of his gold to drop wards on the fountain.

He has thirteen(13) games where he obviously AFK'd in the past two weeks. Why has he not been banned? I shouldn't have lost 20 LP for this.

Jubbinaut1 votes

I'd lay quite a bit of money that he's dealing with a fairly high LPQ right now.

Bans aren't a be-all, end-all solution, and they're certainly not the go-to sanction. There are others at work (Low Priority Queues for afk/dcs, Ranked Restrictions for toxicity in Ranked, chat restrictions for verbal abuse) that are far less visible to outsiders.

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