You removed DFG, now remove Infinity Edge

Nucleophilic atk··4 votes·412 views

It only makes sense.

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DrCyanide3 votes

It doesn't make sense in the least, because Infinity Edge isn't the AD equivalent of Deathfire Grasp!

item 3031 is the AD equivalent of item 3089 :

  • Both give maximum offensive stats in their tech tree
  • Both enhance the efficiency of other items purchased in their tech tree

while we're at it...

item 3139 is the AD equivalent of item 3157 :

  • Both give maximum offensive stats in their tech tree
  • Both give defensive stats against the other tech tree
  • Both provide an active for getting out of tough situations.

There was no AD equivalent of item 3128 . The closest you could claim would be item 3153 , but the actives work very differently. Regardless, you chose not to compare the two, and lost all credibility with this post.

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

I understand that lol. I was more so saying how they couldn't remove IE because "too much involved with it and crit" yet they remove DFG, which some champs had as a necessity. That is where I was going with it lol.

Scuttler Slayer1 votes

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while we're at it...

item 3139 is the AD equivalent of item 3157 :

  • Both give maximum offensive stats in their tech tree
  • Both give defensive stats against the other tech tree
  • Both provide an active for getting out of tough situations.

About these items... They both have pros and cons, but the fact that QSS (which is sometimes essential and simply not replaceable) only builds into AD is not fair. You can't activate Zhonya's while stunned.

DrCyanide1 votes

The fact that you can use the active of item 3139 with only half the item built (item 3140 ) is still a huge advantage to AP users. AD users would kill to give item 3191 the active of item 3157

Scuttler Slayer1 votes

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The fact that you can use the active of item 3139 with only half the item built (item 3140 ) is still a huge advantage to AP users. AD users would kill to give item 3191 the active of item 3157

I see what you're saying, and you have a point. But the fact that you can activate it "only half built", as it were, is only an advantage until you reach late game; at which point AD users get a full item with insane utility and AP users have to sacrifice considerable damage for utility (or vice versa).

Decaedeus1 votes

On the other hand, you really can't activate item 3139 while a Syndra ult is flying at you. I'd call it pretty even.

Scuttler Slayer1 votes

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On the other hand, you really can't activate item 3139 while a Syndra ult is flying at you. I'd call it pretty even.

True, but you can flash away from that Ult. Or dodge it through other spells.

Obviously, you may not always manage, but you have a chance.

On the other hand, with Zhonya's, the second you're stunned (or silenced? I forget), it's over. Sure you can probably avoid a stun with Flash/ X ability as well. But 1 ult has a long CD. Stuns typically don't, and there are usually more of them. Furthermore, when you use QSS to escape a stun, you can move/attack/heal/whatever immediately. You're still useful. You can still escape/ survive/ kill/ help/ whatever. When you use Zhonya's in an effort to not get stunned or destroyed by, using your example, a Syndra ult, you're going to be in the same spot for a while (and not doing anything helpful, typically). Using Zhonya's well may result in an emery blowing a big damage CD on you for nothing, but it leaves your team in a 4v5 for a little while (except in the case of fiddle/ Swain ult/ are there more?). With QSS, you take the damage but you can return to fighting/etc. as I said.

IN SOME CASES Zhonya's will absorb damage from 80% of the enemy team's big damage spells. And in those cases, Zhonya's > QSS. But that doesn't happen often enough to make Zhonya's active more useful than QSS', in my opinion.

FebruAhri2 votes

don't see why all the downvotes

Nucleophilic atk1 votes

AD mains lol.

FebruAhri1 votes

to be fair there is no AP equivalent to BT or to Essence Reaver

Snarflaz1 votes

Without Infinity Edge it would be hard getting crits...

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

item 3031 can be pretty much gets countered by usual armor items like item 3143 item 3075 item 3083 , while for item 3128 , technically it's just an item that says "I'm too lazy to fight" simply by marking one, then nuke it insta-kill with an ult.

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