(MOVED) Why is Permaban even an option for punishment?

Horse Grenades·Sep 25, 2015·2 votes·764 views

It seems completely crazy to make permabanning an option for anything outside of account boosting or game manipulation (scripting or the like). Chat restrictions, mute buttons, or chat bans make so much more sense for toxicity. Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but I don't understand how Riot could justify banning anyone for chat in a game that was pushed, promoted, and grown by those people. Especially when the rules are so vague and ran by an automated system. I don't know why, but this has really started bugging me today.

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22 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 25, 20155 votes

Because some people don't care about chat restrictions. Then they don't care about Ranked restrictions. Then they don't care about Temporary bans.

Some people need a boot in the ass.

VasilisGreenSep 25, 20151 votes

Btw, this would be a skin i'd like to see!!! Riot pls make it happen!!! JUST DO IT!!!

StealthWardenSep 25, 20152 votes

there are so many other restrictions you can give...but from a business perspective, how bad does someone have to be for them to say "i dont want your money anymore, you are arent worth the trouble" Im just saying, riot is a for profit company, so...it doesnt make a sense to tell people they dont want their business.

SmokedAlmondsSep 25, 20152 votes

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there are so many other restrictions you can give...but from a business perspective, how bad does someone have to be for them to say "i dont want your money anymore, you are arent worth the trouble" Im just saying, riot is a for profit company, so...it doesnt make a sense to tell people they dont want their business.

It makes sense when those people are chasing away other paying customers.

MyotismonSep 25, 20151 votes

Except for the fact that the majority of this community is full of assholes. So what, start banning everyone who rages because the team is an asshole to them? Half of the ragers I've seen are pissed because of the actions of so many in this game. Some people just want to enjoy the game, but the majority of this community is so overwhelmingly, unnecessarily competitive and it ruins the game. It's not just those who get chat restrictions that chase away the community. People who taunt you, are assholes in victory and smurf chase away this community. Every year, I get closer and closer to being done with this game. Every year, I take a longer break from League, and it's because of those people.

SmokedAlmondsSep 25, 20152 votes

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Except for the fact that the majority of this community is full of assholes. So what, start banning everyone who rages because the team is an asshole to them? Half of the ragers I've seen are pissed because of the actions of so many in this game. Some people just want to enjoy the game, but the majority of this community is so overwhelmingly, unnecessarily competitive and it ruins the game. It's not just those who get chat restrictions that chase away the community. People who taunt you, are assholes in victory and smurf chase away this community. Every year, I get closer and closer to being done with this game. Every year, I take a longer break from League, and it's because of those people.

There are a lot of assholes in the community, but it is no where near a majority. It doesn't take a very large percentage of people being assholes to have them be common. There are 10 players in each game, so if 10% of the community was assholes there would basically be 1 in every single game.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that toxic people in chat are the only thing that chase people away. Just a big thing.

AerothalSep 25, 20152 votes

because sometimes real life consequences (like losing real money you spent for in game content) is the only thing people will react to! i find it completely plausible to perma someone who is not willing to reform.

SmokedAlmondsSep 25, 20151 votes

Anything that is punished is considered unacceptable. The punishment is to get you to stop doing that. After a certain point there is no reason to think they will change from another punishment so you remove them(perma ban).

FANTAsticOrangeSep 25, 20151 votes

I believe in the permanent ban for toxic playstyle i.e. feeding intentionally/general trolliness or boosting/hacking. However,** unless it is in excessive amounts**, I do believe that toxic use of in-game chat and the way teammates treat one another can easily be corrected with chat restrictions or the such.

Seems like a bit much to kick out all short-tempered people just because a few bad apples spoiled the bunch, but people who are just acting like jerks at their own will need to learn their place.

Matthias9119Sep 25, 20151 votes

Riot has talked in the past about how they don't love permanent bans -- the players tend to just make new accounts anyway. But after a certain point, if someone doesn't care about chat restrictions or temporary bans, what are they supposed to do? Putting them permanently on a "prisoner's island" is essentially the same as a permanent ban.

Horse GrenadesSep 25, 20151 votes

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Riot has talked in the past about how they don't love permanent bans -- the players tend to just make new accounts anyway. But after a certain point, if someone doesn't care about chat restrictions or temporary bans, what are they supposed to do? Putting them permanently on a "prisoner's island" is essentially the same as a permanent ban.

Just permanently chat restrict them, and have an in-game notification that tells their team

Matthias9119Sep 25, 20151 votes

Okay, so what if you perma-chat-restrict them (or give 1000 games or whatever) and they use all their limited chat to scream racist insults, or they start intentionally feeding every game in retaliation?

Horse GrenadesSep 26, 20151 votes

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Okay, so what if you perma-chat-restrict them (or give 1000 games or whatever) and they use all their limited chat to scream racist insults, or they start intentionally feeding every game in retaliation?

That's my point. Permban trolls. Why is this hard?

Matthias9119Sep 26, 20151 votes

Well, you literally said the opposite of that in the OP:

It seems completely crazy to make permabanning an option for anything outside of account boosting or game manipulation (scripting or the like).

HavenscytheSep 25, 20151 votes

If you are so toxic you are making other people not play the game

Solution: Perma ban

More people play the game, better community

Horse GrenadesSep 26, 20151 votes

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If you are so toxic you are making other people not play the game

Solution: Perma ban

More people play the game, better community

Chat restrict them? This is so easy to understand.

Toxic:Chat ban

Troll: 2-week and permaban

solved

SmokedAlmondsSep 26, 20151 votes

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Chat restrict them? This is so easy to understand.

Toxic:Chat ban

Troll: 2-week and permaban

solved

Why should people that can't follow the rules be allowed to play at all?

Horse GrenadesSep 26, 20151 votes

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Why should people that can't follow the rules be allowed to play at all?

hahaha. i dont.. even... know..

So you propose banning for all "rule violations"? lol

SmokedAlmondsSep 26, 20151 votes

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hahaha. i dont.. even... know..

So you propose banning for all "rule violations"? lol

If someone gets punished for something enough times and continues to do it, yes.

Horse GrenadesSep 26, 20151 votes

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If someone gets punished for something enough times and continues to do it, yes.

so when is "enough times?"

SmokedAlmondsSep 26, 20151 votes

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so when is "enough times?"

According to riot, 4.

HavenscytheSep 26, 20151 votes

You can be toxic without using chat.