Why don't we make black clever melee only?

YoungFarmer·Aug 15, 2016·1 votes·518 views

Adcs are just able to get way to much armour pen these days In my opinion. they get the 45% from and then 30% from . To get BC up to 6 stacks it takes most adcs less than 3 seconds to do that. After BC if max stacked the adc is sitting at 75% armour pen.

I played amumu last game and had 350 armour, the MF on the other team had 75% armour pen (when BC was stacked). I had like 87.5 armour and then -10 because of her Dusk blade so I had something around 75 armour. (math may be wrong, please correct me if it is)

Anyway you get my point I think ADCS have access to way to much armour pen.

17 Comments

GirardAug 15, 20162 votes

So nerf it for every other champion gets nerfed because a few bad eggs abuse it? Personally, I don't think there is a problem with ADC's buying it.

archerno1Aug 15, 20162 votes

Gnaaaaar? Jayce?

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

They can already build melee only items and ranged only. Just the passive is only active in the respective form. But the base stats are always active.

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

Cause no body wants league of tanks again. And by building Armor shred they aren't building the hyper scaling crit build.

YoungFarmerAug 15, 20161 votes

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Cause no body wants league of tanks again. And by building Armor shred they aren't building the hyper scaling crit build.

I don't want league of tanks either, but when the mf can do 2600 damage to me with her ult in like 3 seconds thats pretty stupid.

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

Her ult? For the full 3 second channel? And you as a tank didn't jump her with some kinda cc/disrupt?

YoungFarmerAug 15, 20161 votes

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Her ult? For the full 3 second channel? And you as a tank didn't jump her with some kinda cc/disrupt?

Got slowed by leo ult, and then E, stunned and by then i was dead.

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

Oh I wouldn't be upset. Cc chained by Leona and armor shred from an entire MF ult. Feels bad man.

Wombo'd

YoungFarmerAug 15, 20161 votes

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Oh I wouldn't be upset. Cc chained by Leona and armor shred from an entire MF ult. Feels bad man.

Wombo'd

I liked the tank meta of last season, slightly more than this meta. Like atleast tanks are dumpy and slow you can run from most of them.

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

Deadmans plate, boots, hard cc, slows.

But yeah atleast they don't have the high mobility to run you down. But they have options.

SukishooAug 15, 20161 votes

Because it's like saying in the end why don't they just classify every item to a certain type of champion?

item 3031 - only on Ranged AD item 3071 - only on Melee AD item 3504 - only on Ranged AP Supports

and so on.

Umbra ZAug 15, 20161 votes

In this meta this is fine since without armor pen adcs arent as relevant since tanks just dont die and kill them fairly quickly. Can i even say that? Unfairly quickly because its the league of tanks.

YoungFarmerAug 15, 20161 votes

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In this meta this is fine since without armor pen adcs arent as relevant since tanks just dont die and kill them fairly quickly. Can i even say that? Unfairly quickly because its the league of tanks.

With decent peel a tank shouldn't even be allowed to get on the adc, so basically the adc 3 shots the tank from a range where the tank can't even get on the adc.

Mistress ShyvanaAug 15, 20161 votes

I can agree with your point but 90% of the time you're gonna amumu hug your way to the ADC and blow them up with your extremely tanky build. Because everyone does so much damage even tanks in this meta. Many tanks have dashes and other easy ways to get to/close to the ADC. If they can kite you and kill you with their armor pen. They deserve to.

DepártAug 15, 20161 votes

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Adcs are just able to get way to much armour pen these days In my opinion. they get the 45% from and then 30% from . To get BC up to 6 stacks it takes most adcs less than 3 seconds to do that. After BC if max stacked the adc is sitting at 75% armour pen.

I played amumu last game and had 350 armour, the MF on the other team had 75% armour pen (when BC was stacked). I had like 87.5 armour and then -10 because of her Dusk blade so I had something around 75 armour. (math may be wrong, please correct me if it is)

Anyway you get my point I think ADCS have access to way to much armour pen.

The items don't stack that way, and most adcs are slow to stack it and it's generally sub-optimal in their builds.

In reality, % armor pen is perfectly fine, it's flat armor pen that is too much right now.

CosmochrisAug 15, 20161 votes

As an ADC main, I can say that an amumu with 350 armor will not die against full build full arm pen mf ult unless you were around 30-40% health already. I can say that with 100% certainty.

ZombiemasterAug 15, 20161 votes

Okay, you are overestimating the effectiveness of this combination of items.

To start, you do not get 45% armor pen from Mortal Reminder, you get 45% BONUS armor pen. This armor pen only affects armor gained through runes, masteries, items, abilities, etc. It does not effect a champion's base armor, and for Amumu at level 18, that's 88 armor that is unaffected by this armor pen.

Also, Black Cleaver does not give armor pen at all, it gives armor shred. There's a very big difference between the two. Armor shred is applied first reducing the target's armor, and then the armor pen you have affects the remaining amount.

For example, lets say you are Amumu at level 18 with 350 armor. With the 30% armor shred from Black Cleaver, you will lose 105 armor, being left with 245, with 88 of it being base armor and 157 of it being bonus armor. Then the 45% bonus armor pen from Mortal Reminder is applied to the 157 bonus armor, so they ignore 70.65 of that armor, but we'll round it up to 71, leaving you with 86 bonus armor plus the 88 base armor for a total of 174 armor, minus however much flat armor pen the enemy has. So even with both Mortal Reminder and Black Cleaver, you still have around half of your total armor.