Hey riot everyone is down voting your post of the harrowing

Rozair·Nov 5, 2015·108 votes·9,135 views

Because you forgot to say we're sorry we fucked up. Maybe next year.

73 Comments

BrightfulNov 5, 201515 votes

not to be rude or anything, but can someone explain to me why everyone's upset? was harrowing late? idk how thats much of a problem, u know, kinda like kindred

LeadpaintchipsNov 5, 201517 votes

It's not the Harrowing, per se, it's more on how they handled Halloween.

Darius StradaNov 5, 20157 votes

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It's not the Harrowing, per se, it's more on how they handled Halloween.

More how they didn't handle it.Halloween is gone quite a while now.

OnanThaManNov 5, 201525 votes

What bothers me was that it seemed they chose Worlds over Harrowing and the community building it has always done.

YambrinZNov 5, 20156 votes

Just entitled kids not getting their way and crying as usual. Maybe if they went outside once in awhile they wouldnt feel the need to even notice things like the harrowing being a week late.

TransgressorNov 6, 20153 votes

"i'm entitled to virtual products I can only purchase from willingly exhanging my actual real palpable fucking money for virtual Riot Points"

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SCPJumpscaredNov 6, 20154 votes

Typical EUNE comment on an NA post.

DalthineNov 5, 201552 votes

Here's the basic gist of it:

Riot pushed Harrowing content to the pbe and tested it, announcing it as such.
No other in game content was announced, different from previous years (previously, there was a featured game mode or SR reskin).
No indication of when the content would be released was given, with Riot prioritizing World's instead.
The announcement that Harrowing would not coincide with Halloween was buried on the pbe boards, where very few people saw it.
Halloween came and went, with no official Riot comment on Harrowing content all weekend.
There was still no definite announcement about when the content would be released until several days after the uproar (best we had was "later this week").

This isn't even getting into player opinions on how people disagree with separating Harrowing with Halloween. That's all just things compounding to explode in their face about what went wrong.

RiotcaliskerNov 6, 201530 votes

During October, we released a game mode (One for All), a new story with Shadow and Fortune: A Harrowing Story and we released new skins and Legacy skins this week. We made the decision to split these things up to avoid clumping too many things at once, especially with Worlds earning so much attention. Based on your feedback, this wasn’t the right decision.

We’re looking at how we can fix this in the future and we're listening to better understand what you expect to see for future seasonal events. We'll be the first to admit, this isn't always easy for us, because our seasonal events don’t always feature the same things. But we realize what we did release for The Harrowing didn't meet expectations.

Remlap1223Nov 6, 20157 votes

Oh, I'm certain you'll fix this in the future. So long as World's doesn't coincide with the Harrowing, otherwise it'll get dropped off and forgotten about like a prom night dumpster baby.

GaphidNov 8, 20151 votes

Pretty sure they stated that the Harrowing can happen at any time so i am pretty sure they can just chose not to make it at the same time as World's.

HellioningNov 6, 201512 votes

As a counterpoint, though, not everyone cares about all of those. I, for example, didn't care about the new skins, and only barely cared about OfA.

As such, the only 'harrowing' celebrations for me were the story. This made the event feel sparse.

Not to mention that decoupling harrowing from halloween is a bad decision, and only putting that announcement only on the PBE boards was an even worse decision. You made so much work for KateyKhaos.

badoogaNov 6, 201520 votes

I think that the issue is the fact that you took one of the most favorite events in the game and almost "stripped" it of its identity by not having it on Halloween, which is generally the time where people will want spooky content and such. I get that you want to have the Harrowing "at any time" as you guys put it, so go do that. But there still should be a Harrowing on Halloween, as that is the core of what the Harrowing means to the fanbase. Also, prioritizing Worlds over a favored lore event is not a good idea. I think that steps should be made to make sure that Worlds doesn't coincide with any lore events or game modes, to prevent this issue in the future.

ploki122Nov 6, 201516 votes

During October, we released a game mode (One for All)

That's kinda irrelevant when the game mode isn't available for the Holiday though, don't you think? This was my main gripe with the event personally. When I plan on having some fun for Halloween, I usually do it on 31st +/- 1-2 days. However, you removed the fun game mode 4 days before the actual holiday and didn't replace it with anything.

RiotcaliskerNov 6, 201516 votes

Yeah, we definitely see splitting up the different parts over the course of the month wasn't as effective as we wanted.

RottedApplesNov 6, 20157 votes

i don't think it was the fact you split it up over the course of a month, i think it's just that you did a poor job of it.

A. if one for all was really for harrowing (which i honestly didn't even think it was) then why wouldn't you run it up to and possibly a few days through halloween (maybe start it later so it isn't up for a really long time)

B. why would you release harrowing skins after halloween and not before. I can understand if they stay in the shop past halloween but it is basically a week later and you only just now released them.

It just seems like you did everything too late.

Photos of GhostsNov 7, 20151 votes

You contradict yourself. According to all the end of your comment, te problem is indeed that they split it up.

RottedApplesNov 7, 20153 votes

no. i said everything came out too late.

If they wanted to split it up like that they needed to start it all sooner or something. because what is happening now is that the harrowing skins aren't part of halloween anymore, they are too late.

ploki122Nov 6, 201510 votes

Well, it clearly gave less of a "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS HERE'S YOUR EVENT" and more of a "We're cool all year long". Basically, it lacked a "bang".

You released a lore event starting weeks before the actual holiday and ended before the actual holiday.
You released a rehashed FGM that wasn't on the map that best fits the holiday, and removed it before the holiday.
You took a break near the end of the month to not steal the spotlight.
You released the skins after the holiday was over.

So basically, you did a lot of non-overlapping cool stuff all the time except for during the holiday. Also, most of the stuff happened "during the month of october" instead of "around October 31st". For isntance, you could've done something like release OfA (on TT) from Oct 15th to Nov 2nd, start the Lore event on Oct 31st, release the spooky skins as the story ends (or even gradually as the story unfolds)... or something along those lines (I don't recall if there were any other events).

Basically, you can spread them out, but they have to overlap for sure and they have to be spread around the holiday, not spread in the 30 days preceeding the holiday.

That's all just my opinion though, anyone can feel free to call me out if they disagree.

j jNov 7, 20151 votes

When I look at it from a view that keeps the player base happy while also maximizing profit I think it was a no brainer harrowing should have taken priority. Like without a doubt anybody should have known that. And also with your returning game modes we should also note you should just remove dominion and quite possibly consider using those servers and or increasing servers to host monthly/biweekly/weekly events, so we can see game modes returning more often and generally give players more incentive to play the game aside from ranked, rift or aram. OR if you guys are unwilling to do that then make some altered coop permanent game mode allowed for those who actually enjoy coop vs ai. Such as doom bots. Why these changes have never been implemented or considered baffles me. You guys let dominion left to rot.

Literally let bots crap all over it and did nothing to keep the hype to it. I literally LOVE dominion and it's by far my favorite game mode but 5min-20min game modes on some days is just too much for somebody like me who works 2 jobs and goes to school. Seriously though. Retire dominion, add it to the list of gamemodes that can return with the other game modes which will use those allocated servers. Simple yet effective change to keep league interesting and give people something to look forward to throughout the month other than random skins that only hype certain people based off of concept or champions people play. Give everyone a reason to look forward to logging on.

Jeddy017Nov 7, 20151 votes

I honestly don't see how OFA would even feeling like a Harrowing game mode.So even if you guys did do everything together,OFA wouldn't be the best choice unless it took place on the Twisted Treeline.

TurquoiseYoshiNov 7, 20151 votes

Please don't make this turn you away from that idea. Having events like the Winter event being longer would be great. It's just, for one specific holiday, people want everything on that day.

2ManyJonsNov 7, 20152 votes

Snowdown should be just fine. It wont be taking a back seat to an E-sport event like the harrowing did.

TurquoiseYoshiNov 7, 20151 votes

I just don't want them to worry about keeping everything closer. Snowdown is a winter event, Harrowing is a Halloween event. Riot doesn't need to let bad reactions to the second one make the first one less enjoyable.

BlainezyNov 6, 20152 votes

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During October, we released a game mode (One for All), a new story with Shadow and Fortune: A Harrowing Story and we released new skins and Legacy skins this week. We made the decision to split these things up to avoid clumping too many things at once, especially with Worlds earning so much attention. Based on your feedback, this wasn’t the right decision.

We’re looking at how we can fix this in the future and we're listening to better understand what you expect to see for future seasonal events. We'll be the first to admit, this isn't always easy for us, because our seasonal events don’t always feature the same things. But we realize what we did release for The Harrowing didn't meet expectations.

Just don't release snow down in January.

KeevalroyNov 6, 20158 votes

We made the decision to split these things up to avoid clumping too many things at once, especially with Worlds earning so much attention.

Something to consider: Worlds isn't a priority. Worlds shouldn't even be considered a priority. The pro scene should NEVER come before the playerbase. Riot is making this mistake far too many times, especially in Gameplay and Balance. I would have hoped that this was going to be the only department to consistently screw up, but for every other department since they're a lost cause, please make a habit out of producing content while ignoring the LCS.

Crys3sNov 7, 20152 votes

I have to say - releasing harrowing skin content built around the Halloween theme a week after Halloween is already over is VERY unsatisfying.

**Worlds may be super important but you have to put your effort where it counts - for all of your players who play league and not just for the top 2 teams. ** Why else would we strive to make it to the top competitively if the game content wasn't there?

You have to remember, there are people and businesses out there that start November 1st at 1201 AM off with **"GET YOUR GIFTS FOR TURKEY ON BLACK CHRISTMAS THIS FRIDAY AND DECORATE PUMPKIN PIE LIGHTS BECAUSE SANTA CLAUS AND HAM TRAIN SETS. NON-STOP CHRISTMAS MUSIC UNTIL THE 1ST OF NEW YEARS LIEUTENANT DAN ICE CREAM." **

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

John BerserkNov 7, 20152 votes

I think perhaps not having Worlds take up so much of October would be the best.

Maybe it can end in September, or perhaps in mid-October, but not at the VERY end, taking away from the Harrowing event. Perhaps it can end in mid-October, and that would leave the second half of October to feature story content and announcements, and try and lead all of that up to a climax of Harrowing content by October 31st.

Jeddy017Nov 7, 20151 votes

Isn't that what happened last year?

OldDirtayNov 7, 20151 votes

{quoted}

During October, we released a game mode (One for All), a new story with Shadow and Fortune: A Harrowing Story and we released new skins and Legacy skins this week. We made the decision to split these things up to avoid clumping too many things at once, especially with Worlds earning so much attention. Based on your feedback, this wasn’t the right decision.

We’re looking at how we can fix this in the future and we're listening to better understand what you expect to see for future seasonal events. We'll be the first to admit, this isn't always easy for us, because our seasonal events don’t always feature the same things. But we realize what we did release for The Harrowing didn't meet expectations.

can probably start fixing things by not trying to bs people

first you re-released one for all...you didnt create it you did release lore.... you didnt release skins in october, that was november and you opened a vault (not sure on date) to already made skins (btw when you come to these conclusions, its probably better to tell people about it before hand not after the fact go...well we didnt want to clump things up etc....seems like an excuse to me for very poor time management/pr skills)

so in short, you created new lore, and re-released already made stuff in october....dont try to hide those facts

OH, and now your pushing a dynamic grouping thing that a majority dont want into something called SOLO QUE.....

doesnt take a genius to see where its going wrong, or does it?[zombie-brand-facepalm]

GaphidNov 8, 20151 votes

I believe Riot did nothing wrong i can't be sure of it but i believe that Riot probably never stated that Harrowing was in any way connected to Halloween (i may be wrong most likely am) and so i believe that if it's their decision to not make the Harrowing event coincide with Halloween it is fully understandable and should come as no surprise as we are talking about a fantasy game world that has no connections with ours so should obviously not have the same events as we do.

RozzetaNov 6, 20152 votes

The fun part is that all we knew about the release of the skins was provided by Bio, who doesn't even work in that area and just said what she asked to the rioters actually working on it (btw, thans Bio!).

ZedexNov 5, 20159 votes

Bunch of self entitled ass-hats are mad they had to wait for skins this year. Pretty much it, anyways.

Heckin SupportNov 5, 201513 votes

No, the Harrowing was late and postponed because Riot had worlds near Halloween and couldn't throw any kind of special event because everyone was busy with e$ports LC$ stuff.

Silents429Nov 5, 20158 votes

And the whole Pre Season 6..

RyzeReworkNov 5, 20153 votes

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No, the Harrowing was late and postponed because Riot had worlds near Halloween and couldn't throw any kind of special event because everyone was busy with e$ports LC$ stuff.

That is untrue riot posted there doing stuff at different times and riot has a part of the company that deals with esports just like there a part that deals with reworks and new champions and balancing and fixing bugs ect. Ect. Riot is not one person that went to worlds

RyzeReworkNov 6, 20152 votes

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not to be rude or anything, but can someone explain to me why everyone's upset? was harrowing late? idk how thats much of a problem, u know, kinda like kindred

everyone upset because there just little kids they want there candy on time, any grown person understands that the world doesnt work that why execpt for everyone who downvoted you

SkewedViewNov 6, 20159 votes

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everyone upset because there just little kids they want there candy on time, any grown person understands that the world doesnt work that why execpt for everyone who downvoted you

Understand, this is about paying customers, not the standard league freeloader whining. It is not entitlement for a PAYING CUSTOMER to expect adequate service & communication from the businesses that are taking their money. Essentially, this is like sitting down at a restaurant, waiting for an hour for the waitress to get around to serving you, and then when she does, all she says is 'my bad' and expects you not to be pissed.

What is it with this 'little kids' meme you condescending types have? It seriously makes you sound like the middle schoolers in the discussion. Then again, when people have names that pretentious...

RuenaNov 6, 20155 votes

{quoted}

Understand, this is about paying customers, not the standard league freeloader whining. It is not entitlement for a PAYING CUSTOMER to expect adequate service & communication from the businesses that are taking their money. Essentially, this is like sitting down at a restaurant, waiting for an hour for the waitress to get around to serving you, and then when she does, all she says is 'my bad' and expects you not to be pissed.

What is it with this 'little kids' meme you condescending types have? It seriously makes you sound like the middle schoolers in the discussion. Then again, when people have names that pretentious...

Except the waitress still hasnt said my bad.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Packun FlowerNov 5, 201512 votes

Funny part is no one is actually buying the skins because the store is down.

This event was a disaster plain and simple. What people want is for Riot to admit they fucked up, they want Riot to take responsibility for their failure on handling this years harrowing.

But we all know riot is to stubborn to do that.

GankLordNov 6, 20151 votes

Oh I bought some as mad as I am with them for event I'm not going to pass up Haunted Maokai and headless hecarim for 975 rp instead of paying for a full bundle to get one skin.

Maple CrusaderNov 6, 20151 votes

So disappointed I can't access the store

YambrinZNov 5, 20159 votes

But im sure everyone is buying the skins, so im sure Riot could care less lolz.

t0ad5Nov 5, 201511 votes

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But im sure everyone is buying the skins, so im sure Riot could care less lolz.

You are right, but I can't imagine why people would buy them after the way the company is behaving lately.

SeductiveGrandpaNov 5, 20152 votes

In their defense, this is the only ~~harrowing~~ halloween they've missed. And really they havent been doing anything that bad other than the Morde changes. Seems more eye of the beholder beliefs but hey thats your opinion.

RuenaNov 5, 20158 votes

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In their defense, this is the only ~~harrowing~~ halloween they've missed. And really they havent been doing anything that bad other than the Morde changes. Seems more eye of the beholder beliefs but hey that's your opinion.

That is a poor ass defense in our defense. The 'only' Halloween they've missed? They're NOT supposed to miss any, especially after 4 years of tradition. Not with a badly announced, last second bullshitted decision like "We're celebrating Halloween in November and Christmas in February, gg get fukd kids. -rolls away with your monehs-"

Its not entitlement. I made it clear I know I'm not entitled to this when there was initial outcry on the topic. Riot hasn't been listening to their player base much, not to say they haven't been doing a crap ton of cool shit to look forward to, but they've been doing tons of damage to us as well. So its kind of looking bad on their part if they have all this shiny new shit and no one on the playground to share it with.

Did they mess up on Harrowing? Yes. Do they deserve to be lynched? No, not really.

Do we deserve an apology? F*ck yeah. Do we deserve free shit to compensate? While it'd be nice, no.

Thin AirNov 5, 20156 votes

It's longer than a 4 year tradition. This has been happening since Beta. So has Snowdown Showdown, which is also not going to be coming out at the proper time. Riot said that "It will happen when we say it happens."

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that this tradition has been around since beta. So it's been 6-7 years now.

SeductiveGrandpaNov 6, 20152 votes

Season 6 looks to be something to look forward to as an apology for the missed halloween, at least we got some good lore and now we can have cool harrowing skins at any time of the year, (CHRISTMAS IN JULY GIF) but yeah and about the listening thing: I hate saying it because I get destroyed for putting it out there but lets be serious, 9/10 when Rito actually listens to the playerbase on a topic (If this topic doesnt involve simple things like name changes or just little fixes) about balance, things get totally worse than usual. I believe two of the juggernauts had this problem and I know many other changes that have happened because of board outcries have also made things worst on multiple occasions so I could see their lack of listening to the player base. In the end, the boards really on excels on simple changes because the moment anything else comes out (rather than an actual good idea that can be simply implemented ex: recall animations in ARAM) and or providing skin ideas, its terrribleeee for balance and or champion changes. And, i've noticed a lot that people assume everything they say needs to be considered and or put into the game and that rito should follow everything they say, I mean i'm fine with them doing things on their own as they shouldn't feel constricted by the playerbase to always have to do what it wants.

LeadpaintchipsNov 6, 20152 votes

for how often they have stated that they believe in clarity, they really muddied the waters on this one.