Everyone bitching about "only 20 base damage" forget to mention the .15 AP increase on it, as well as giving her a really good MS buff on Q cast. They also fixed some bugs on her.
Lol dang, Ahri mains have it so rough...almost as bad as Zed mains. I don't know how he will even be viable with all those nerfs he got.
I'm just going to go ahead and bump this so that people realize she now has the highest win rate and I called it.
disregardable1 votesShe can't kill anything. Ever.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesWhen, before or after patch?
Before patch: (with 400 AP..random # but lvl 18) Charm+Q 180 + (140) + (140+140)*1.2 + (140+140)*1.2 = 992
After patch: Charm+Q does 200 + (200) + 140 + (140) + 140 + (140) = 960
Dang....she is killed.
Jubbinaut2 votesAnd don't forget the buff and bugfix on W.
I'm honestly pleased by it. I liked Mage Ahri better than Assassin Ahri, and the need they had to shift her into that made me very sadface.
BakedLotion2 votes[{quoted}](name=SN2 Surpriser,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=QJjAllPG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-01-29T00:35:10.784+0000)
When, before or after patch?
Before patch: (with 400 AP..random # but lvl 18) Charm+Q 180 + (140) + (140+140)*1.2 + (140+140)*1.2 = 992
After patch: Charm+Q does 200 + (200) + 140 + (140) + 140 + (140) = 960
Dang....she is killed.
You're forgetting the fact that DFG is removed. You also forgot to add her ult and Foxfire into that pre-patch equation. Which is also amplified by 44% with charm amp and DFG
Nucleophilic atk1 votesNot including DFG since their are plenty of other champs that got absolutely nothing for it. So not sure where the complaint is there.
Point I was making was she is losing 32 damage on her poke while gaining bug fixes and increased movement speed on her Q. She might not be able to get into a fight, kill a person with 0 counterplay and get out undamaged, but she will certainly be better in lane at poking down and then killing.
Jubbinaut1 votesHe also didn't add ult and foxfire to post-patch equation. And while he did account for the charm amp (note the *1.2 multipliers), having to judge a champion based on its existence is the exact reason that DFG was removed.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesRight, that is why she has the highest winrate now isn't it? I'm not sure why people doubt me.
BakedLotion1 votesWhy would u leave out foxfire and ult? Exactly. To make his point more convincing, which it isn't. The 20% damage amp on charm goes to EVERY spell except charm. Leaving out two entire skills that can amp 20% is NOT helping him prove his point. Put everything in, and then we can talk. Also, your numbers are really weird and i have no idea where you're getting them from. You might wanna make u equations more clear
Nucleophilic atk1 votesAgain, left those out for more of a poke. I did this because you are going to be poking a lot more than you are going to be going all in. That is like me basing balance decisions on Ez's ult. Gonna talk about what actually matters.
Also, just because you don't understand the equation doesn't make it weird lol. It is actually pretty simple.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesHey, where is Ahri winrate right now?
Eleshakai1 votesI'm going to wait until I see pros playing her with the new post-dfg world before I judge.