I'm tired of people mingling skill and cleverness

Wolfeur·Oct 6, 2015·3 votes·1,142 views

I'm bad with mechanics, I can't play most champions due to lack of practice and my elo isn't high.

BUT

I make good calls, I understand the strength and weaknesses of champions and comps, I know how to counter-build and where to go. I have a great theoretical knowledge of the game.

But since I'm not really good at any role but support, if I happen to do bad, no one listens to my call nor takes my advice. Why? Because my score is bad and people don't care what I have to say because "you're a fucking bronzie". I'm tired of this mentality...

People need to realize that strategy and tactics are not related to skill, otherwise, no LCS team would need coaches.

10 Comments

CrowgunOct 6, 20152 votes

Hai is the perfect example, mechanically weak he makes calls like mad, but here's the thing.

Understanding the game and having good game sense CAN translate to getting better mechanically. You understand matchups, so you play around them. You know comps, so you can counter them.

Start playing mid or jungle, the two roles that allow easier shotcalling. Allow your game sense to enhance your mechanics

WolfeurOct 6, 20151 votes

Yeah, it helps for outplay mechanics and using well your character, but my mechanic problem is more of a dexterity issue. I have motor problems with my fingers (not a real problem, I'm just not agile).

InphernalOct 6, 20152 votes

I'm tired of people using common fking sense and then having some idiot type "clever..." in chat.

IT WASNT CLEVER IT JUST WASNT BRAINDEAD OH MY GOD

Estas PerdidoOct 6, 20151 votes

There's a guy called YellOwStaR who fits this mold exactly. He's not mechanicly gifted but man can he call shots and keep his team focused. He also plays for the second strongest team in EU which is rapidly growing stronger. It's to bad more people won't listen to your strategic plays and calls! I hope this sheds a little more light on the matter

warwillerOct 6, 20151 votes

Skill is the amount of control an individual posesses in a situation. It isn't confined to certain situations.

InphernalOct 6, 20152 votes

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Skill is the amount of control an individual posesses in a situation. It isn't confined to certain situations.

So if im good at drawing but bad at surfing i'm unskilled? Even if im good at drawing i still have no skill because i cant surf?

Nucleophilic atkOct 6, 20151 votes

Your comparison makes no sense. He is saying "skilled" would be a sum of everything in a giving situation. Meaning shot calling AND mechanics play into it. He is essentially saying that even if you have good shotcalling, but suck at everything else, you suck. You're comparing two completely unrelated things.

A comparison using your example would be something like, "I don't suck at surfing just because I can't ride the wave. I can stand up on the board". Being able to surf includes standing up AND riding the wave. If you can only do one, then you essentially suck at surfing. If you're mechanics suck at League, causing you to preform badly in the game, you essentially suck.

I'm not saying it's my opinion, just clarifying what he meant and why your comparison was very dumb.

warwillerOct 7, 20151 votes

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So if im good at drawing but bad at surfing i'm unskilled? Even if im good at drawing i still have no skill because i cant surf?

It isn't confined to surfing, mechanics in league of legends, balloon blowing, car racing, orange peeling, or ANYTHING. I thought thiswas common knowledge

TrylobyteOct 6, 20151 votes

The issue is more that people think someone with good mechanics is automatically good with strategy and thus listen to them over someone who is actually good with strategy but has poor mechanics. I've noticed this in my MOBA-playing history - In a group of randoms the team is more inclined to listen to the guy with the high score than the guy who's making the right calls because the score is the only quantitative thing they have to go on. I've dubbed it the Lemming Effect - If you're doing well individually your random teammates will be more inclined to follow you and group with you (whether you want them to or not). Whether you choose to lead them to victory or over a cliff is up to your own strategic abilities.

RisenDarkKnightOct 6, 20151 votes

Also people need to understand that perfomance/kda in one game or the first few minutes of one game doesn't determine the skill of a player. If two people are in gold V with around 200 ranked games played, they are probably both around the same skill level. It doesn't matter if one is 10/0/0 this game the other is 0/5/0, they probably have about the same decision making unless the 0/5 player is tilted or the 10/0/0 player is overconfident.