So, Zed is allowed to be super strong not only because he makes super flashy plays (well, that is probably the only reason actually), but because he can easily be "countered" by buying a QSS you say. Well, weren't Fiddles and WW nerfed HEAVILY even though the reason they were nerfed could easily be countered buy buying a QSS?
Seems like someone has a double standard.
2000boxes1 votesfirst of all what would you possible counter from fiddle with a qss when all his ablities are spammable and warwick could build tanky and still do insane damage
what does zed have to do? he has to pretty much build glass cannon
and that attack speed nerf does alot more than it sounds
Nucleophilic atk1 votesQss fear in teamfights.
Eleshakai1 votesZed is not JUST countered by QSS. He can also be countered by flash, any movement ability, by any form of cc, by simply outplaying him(watching Vayne vs Zed duels can be very entertaining for this), by heals/shields, or by QSS or Hourglass.
Most of those options are are available even when alone. I've survived a duel with a Zed as Nami because I bubbled him before he could get any damage and then ran away, for example.
With a fidd... I couldn't do that. I'd die before the fear wore off unless I had cleanse/qss.
Zed's not 100% balanced, but his kit is REALLY well designed to allow the person you target to have options to react to it unless they've put themself in a position where those options are already exhausted.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesLol, who do those things not counter?
Eleshakai1 votes[{quoted}](name=SN2 Surpriser,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=MX477OuZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-04T03:03:45.127+0000)
Lol, who do those things not counter?
Pre-nerf Warwick and Fiddlesticks, because you're cced so long by point and click cc with no skillshots involved that you have no time to USE any of those things. Akali, since she has so much mobility. Pre-DFG-removal Leblanc/Ahri/etc, because they bursted you instantly before you could use any of it. Pre-nerf Talon.
Riot's been gradually removing the things that can't be countered by good play. One of their better decisions, in my eyes.
Klatn Yelox1 votesI feel the nerf to WW is too much myself, but the AS nerf to Zed was perfect.
The problem with nerfs to WW and other full sustain champs is that either they can get enough HP/sec out of their kit to succeed, or they can't. Its a line with no clear definition. The problem I have with nerfing champs who focus on sustain at all is Grievous Wounds, but that is unrelated to this post.
Long story short, no double standard, completely different situations.
Eleshakai1 votes[{quoted}](name=Klatn Yelox,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=MX477OuZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-04T03:35:40.969+0000)
I feel the nerf to WW is too much myself, but the AS nerf to Zed was perfect.
The problem with nerfs to WW and other full sustain champs is that either they can get enough HP/sec out of their kit to succeed, or they can't. Its a line with no clear definition. The problem I have with nerfing champs who focus on sustain at all is Grievous Wounds, but that is unrelated to this post.
Long story short, no double standard, completely different situations.
Riot is planning to remove grievous wounds, I believe. They've mentioned it a few times, they're just not ready to do so quite yet. And they have a rework down the pipe for WW to help make him a bit least feast/famine.
Basically: I agree with you, essentially.