Girlfriend encouraged her Boyfriend to commit suicide

La Belle Sauvage·Jun 7, 2017·3 votes·763 views

This case has interesting implications.

Did girlfriend's texts push teen to take his own life? http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/us/texting-suicide-massachusetts-trial/

27 Comments

ME UNGA ME SMASHJun 7, 20172 votes

This is the furthest from being a League post I have ever seen on the boards.

AnastaeciaJun 7, 20174 votes

The OP could be referencing the oft used "KYS".

ME UNGA ME SMASHJun 7, 20172 votes

Come now, if that was the case, they would have probably stated that or something league related in the post. It's a statement, a question, and a link.

HalcyonDwellerJun 7, 20171 votes

OP already confirmed, that's what it's about.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20172 votes

Yes

paisyJun 7, 20172 votes

Can't you post non league stuff in misalliance?

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20172 votes

That is where I posted it. See top.

ME UNGA ME SMASHJun 7, 20172 votes

I dunno, it seems rather unfitting to use the league boards to talk about a girlfriend coercing her boyfriend into suicide. This ain't Facebook.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20172 votes

I Disagree, this relates to all the KYS Posts and I did not claim that this is Facebook.

Often a weak argument put forward by the PRO KYS crowd that no one is harmed by saying/typing KYS. True, I cannot prove that people commit suicide as a result. However, this case underscores a point I often make; words matter and can have dire consequences. And in this case it appears just that happened.

If this case is tried as a murder case and sets legal precedent, then the implications are potentially far reaching. That's what makes it interesting to pay attention to.

Not sure how I'd feel about it, but looks like I will find out.

THE D1CJun 8, 20171 votes

But... I thought KYS meant "Killer Yellow Scooter" this thread gives all those times I heard it new meaning. Thanks a lot for ruining my ignorance:-(

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20172 votes

I Disagree, this relates to all the KYS Posts and I did not claim that this is Facebook.

If this case is tried as a murder case and sets legal precedent, then the implications are potentially far reaching. That's what makes it interesting to pay attention to.

Not sure how I'd feel about it, but looks like I will find out.

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I dunno, it seems rather unfitting to use the league boards to talk about a girlfriend coercing her boyfriend into suicide. This ain't Facebook.

You can't force suicide, that's murder. She texted him how to commit suicide and encouraged him to commit suicide. Take a few minutes and read the article.

TheSequelsRBadJun 8, 20171 votes

Yes, as well as on GD.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20172 votes

Yes, what I didn't say was it's interesting because of how this case will be argued, as a homicide or not. If the person is convicted of murder that will set a new legal precedent. Which ties in to all the KYS Posts we see here.

AnastaeciaJun 7, 20171 votes

At some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions. The guy got in his truck and suffocated himself...no one else. To assume that a couple texts from a girl would push anyone over the edge that wasn't already headed that way is ridiculous. Pretty soon the 1st amendment will be no more. TIred of this thought police, BS.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20173 votes

"At some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions"

Including the girlfriend in this case. However, I do think she should be held accountable.

"To assume that a couple texts from a girl would push anyone over the edge that wasn't already headed that way is ridiculous"

It's not ridiculous, if you are terminally ill, and was going to die soon and I murdered you I am still guilty of murder, despite "... already headed there".

Just because someone has suicidal tedencies (noted as such in the article) doesn't not mean he will die of suicide.

"Pretty soon the 1st amendment will be no more. TIred of this thought police, BS."

Also disagree. Freedom of speech is a right for all in the USA, but that right does not exempt you from consequences of free speech.

Siegfriedx1Jun 8, 20171 votes

Bello, although i agree with the feeling you have it's just non-sense that she is accountable for his death. This kid by law suppose to be cared by many people and entities where all failed with him.

La Belle SauvageJun 8, 20171 votes

I'm not sure where I stand yet. I do not think it's murder, but yet I feel like she took advantage of a person in a weaker mental state and I feel she should serve time if the evidence represented in the case shows malice.

I feel that the KYS is worthy of a ban. I want all the PRO KYS people to realize that words matter, that you can be angry and expressing that anger is okay. But recognize too there should be a line, and we should take care not to cross it.

Posting this article is proof that word can be acted upon. There are many ideas to challenge here, but the main goal is to keep the conversation going. And that I've done.

Silly NeekoJun 7, 20177 votes

Words have varying effects. You can lift someone up, put someone down. You can ruin someones good day with a bad action/words, or brighten someones bad day with just a smile and simple "Hello".

Yes, people should take responsibility for their own actions, but that also includes what you say to someone. Words have a powerful impact on people, heck, words can even be a form of "turning someone on" or off which is a physical and emotional reaction.

Personally i feel the whole use of the acronym "kys" should be completely removed. While the person may have been "headed that way" in the first place, telling someone they should is like putting the last stone in place. Not only is it not needed, but that is not just a thought.... You chose to say that acronym which had very specific words attached to it. You knew what you were saying/typing/texting before you even pressed the enter/send/before you said it. Those are verbs which indicate that an ACTION is taken, not just thought.

While you would find it silly if someone actually took the acronym to heart and actually did it, every action has a reaction. No i am not saying it is their fault that they did that, but i am saying it is their fault that they said the acronym and could potentially be feeling guilty about it. People feel guilty for not even realizing that someone they cared about is sitting on that very precarious edge, even if that person had been practicing hiding it for years....

So it also could easily be a excuse to blame themselves, because it is easier to do that then to comprehend that someone could be feeling so miserable that even a simple acronym could set them over the edge...... And they had no clue.

This stuff happens all around us, every day. Mabey not with the same end result, but yeah.

Dont be so quick to pass off words as being practically meaningless.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20173 votes

Excellent post.

DrCyanideJun 7, 20172 votes

There's a certain irony in your stance. Let me highlight it for you.

Words you write ("kys") shouldn't matter. At this rate, words someone else wrote (1st Amendment) won't matter.

Also, who would think it's a "thought police" thing? The person typing "kys" wasn't just thinking it, they said it. If you told someone you work with "have sex with me", you'd be getting sexual assault charges because it was no longer just a thought.

I find it staggered that society is so deprived of morals that we even have to have posts like this.

La Belle SauvageJun 7, 20171 votes

There are many things to consider in this case. I too am surprised to find just how many people defend typing KYS.

LauchmelderJun 7, 20172 votes

I'm not really a specialist when it comes to US laws (or the Bill of Rights), but isn't this the 1st amendment?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The first amendment doesn't protect you from consequences. And to be fair, if the 1st Amendment would be allowing this kind of idiocy and stupidity I would personally start a damn petition to remove it from the Bill of Rights, US citizen or not.

HalcyonDwellerJun 7, 20171 votes

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At some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions. The guy got in his truck and suffocated himself...no one else. To assume that a couple texts from a girl would push anyone over the edge that wasn't already headed that way is ridiculous.

If she hadn't encouraged him to do it he might not have. The point is that she contributed to making a suicidal and depressed person feel worse. In what situation should that ever be okay?

Pretty soon the 1st amendment will be no more.

Bullshit. This is a slippery slope argument. That consequence is far reaching and absurd, and so far disconnected from this one event and court proceeding. That's like saying I will get malaria from killing a mosquito with my bare hands. It's technically possible, but the chances are so goddamn low that claiming so is utterly worthless and does nothing to contribute to the discussion.

TIred of this thought police, BS.

In what way has there been a history of 'thought policing' to be tired of? This is a single publicized legal case....

Siegfriedx1Jun 8, 20171 votes

He killed himself. End of the history. It's strange the way she actively were interested on knowing he was killing himself though. Was she interested on his suicide or she thought she was helping him from the suffering life he had?

Anyway it's pretty strange and new but i don't think she should be in jail because of that. Maybe an psychological assessment to see why she was behaving that way but was their family and the people that abused him for long long time that killed him ultimately.

La Belle SauvageJun 8, 20171 votes

Indeed. However, if the evidence against her show malice and possibly intent then in my mind she deserves some type of punishment.

BreakuJun 8, 20171 votes

idk but she could tell me to kms all she wants if you know what im sayin

La Belle SauvageJun 8, 20171 votes

I see your point, ultimately he chose to act, however I think she played a part. And if the evidence proves malice then I'm all for some kind of punishment.