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Remove Promos

La Belle Sauvage·4/6/2019, 3:34:30 AM·112 votes·20,360 views

Edit: Remove placements & promos. I'm sorry if all who up voted did so based on promotions between divisions. I mean I don't like those, but I despise placements.

I mostly agree.

I have made silver in the past two seasons and it's where I should start, back at Silver 3. I shouldn't be placed bronze for some undisclosed reason. The ladder is grindy enough I don't need an extra system to make the game more grindy.

Regarding this season, I'm having a helluva hard time getting back to Silver too. I've made it to promos twice so far. My win rate is the worst since my first season. I believe I will get out of Bronze by the end of the season, but for what? Like what's the point if I place back in bronze?

On average in the prior two seasons I was a solid 53% - 55% win rate player. And despite my abysmal performance this year, I still belong in Silver.

I'm not delusional, I don't think I'm the next LCS good/goddess, but I am a solid Silver player with potential to make it into gold.

But every year I have to face promos were regardless of how well I played in the prior season, I place in bronze. The time I spend grinding out of bronze should be time spent grinding my way out of silver.

Chess has a version of promos, but instead it is called a provisional rating. For something like 10 or 20 games your chess rating varies wildly, but after that it evens out.

They don't make you go through provisional ratingds at the start of every new year.

Riot, do the right thing and and remove Promos. Whatever a players rank is at the end if the season, should be the rank they start at in the next season.

41 Comments

Tobykachu4/6/2019, 6:29:46 AM36 votes

The one thing I wish they'd change about promos is no longer capping you at 100 LP when you get there. If you're in Silver III and on 98lp and win a game to get 23 LP I wish the game would treat it as you having 121 LP instead of 100 and providing you the next 2 games of your promos you'd be placed in Silver II 21 LP instead of Silver II 0 LP.

FilDaFunk4/6/2019, 10:59:05 AM14 votes

I clicked this because I read "remove poros" and wanted to know the reasoning. I agree with this one, though.

draco77777774/6/2019, 11:25:10 AM10 votes

The only thing I hate about promos is that for me, everytime I get into the promo series, the quality of my teammates downgrades everytime, meaning I almost always get someone really toxic, an inter, etc. That and the whole 97, 98, 99 LP situation which is simply infuriating.

InsaneWind4/6/2019, 7:26:06 AM6 votes

Remember there used to be Bronze>Silver>Gold>Ect... now there is Iron>Bronze>Silver>Gold>ect... There is a whole new tier added to the back end that has you placed in bronze, if you belong in silver you will climb out, bronze is not that hard to get out of.

mack91124/6/2019, 7:30:12 AM6 votes

You gotta remember a good half of the silver players live in bronze now due to the other half of bronze is in iron now. You could climb out of silver super easily before since most games just had terrible players due to the huge skill discrepancy but now silver is a bit more stable so your matches will be harder.

The Ecdysiast4/6/2019, 3:59:16 AM4 votes

Because regardless of how well you did in the prior season, the game will be changed a ton before the start of the next one. A player who did well abusing Irelia bot when marksmen were so terrible they couldn't be played doesn't say much for their overall skill. Not saying you did that, but this system is in place to account for the fact there are things from season to season that get changed.

That's why people don't just get a reward every season for being gold in season 1.

Evidence4/6/2019, 11:38:56 PM4 votes

they should remove promos yes and fix that fkn matchmaking and mmr too.

Arcanine194/6/2019, 4:34:54 PM2 votes

''but I am a solid Silver player with potential to make it into gold.'' Sorry to be that guy... but if youre having trouble to getting back to silver you're not worthy (yet at least) of being gold

Sęraph4/6/2019, 6:40:44 PM2 votes

Have to have placements that is kind of mandatory.

As for promos I would rather see the rank system work more like a leveling system.

xevineon4/7/2019, 1:40:08 AM1 votes

(copy pasting from my other comment for more visibility)

Remember season 6 dynamic q? How many players abused pre-mades to effectively boost their rank. Even in a duo, there's far better teamplay and coordination in the chaos of solo q. If ranks weren't soft reset at the end of the season, then you'd get a bunch of honestly bad players in elos they don't belong. If they truly deserved x rank, they'd eventually climb up quite quickly with a solid winrate.

Before anyone says, "Oh that's a different case. Dynamic Q was so bad and should've never been there in the first place blah blah." Well, one, it was and having a system in place to counteract some seasonal fuck up like that makes sense. Take another example, ardent meta (literally boosted janna/lulu supports), funneling (still a thing in yi/taric and twitch/lulu), etc.

Placements are vital to counteracting at least some of this bullshit. Yea, it sucks to start a division lower (for some people at least), but necessary when considering how high elo works and, as I already stated, if you really belong in x rank, you'd hit it, fairly easily.

I don't know how OP can say something like this

On average in the prior two seasons I was a solid 53% - 55% win rate player. And despite my abysmal performance this year, I still belong in Silver. I'm not delusional, I don't think I'm the next LCS god/goddess, but I am a solid Silver player with potential to make it into gold.

without at least coming off as a bit delusional. You play bad; you get bad results. With that same performance in a higher skill level, you'd honestly just drop pretty fast.

I do agree with removing divisional promos. You can climb your way up to promos, play really in promos (and still lose, just part of the game), and lose all that momentum. Now you have to play an additional 3 games, all of which have to be 3 wins in a row, when you could've been halfway to the next division with a coinflip game in your promos. I mean honestly, it feels really frustrating to post up really high kdas, kp, good objective control and dmg % but manage to lose in promos because of the minute chance that you got placed against a smurf or with some pretty subpar, tilted teammates. Don't know why there's such a stressed importance on promo games when losing them due to legitimately external factors can add up to an extra 4+ games spent basically stunting the ranked climb.

huntervicious4/7/2019, 4:15:14 AM1 votes

I don’t think promos shouldn’t exist. I have only two issues with promos:

  1. Promos between sub-tiers. This doesn’t make any sense. The gap between them isn’t big enough to justify. Those small promos only create a frustrating feeling on players.

Solution: remove sub-tiers and create a cap of points that you must have before unlock promos to the next tier. E.g: A player that reach 500 LP on gold unlock promos to plat. In my opinion this would make the climb less frustrating and fair.

  1. Matchmaking. Since they change this to decrease avg time on queue the quality of games also decreased. Another thing that create frustration is the anti streaks inside matchmaking. Every time you start a win streak the matchmaking starts to put you with teammates that are in losing streaks. This is so bad for the game because most of the time the losing streak guys will get tilted after the first thing that went wrong and the game is doomed no matter what you try to do to comeback.

Solution: Decrease mmr range and remove anti streaks bullshit

I rather wait 5-10 minutes for a good match than wait 2 minutes and loose the game in 5 minutes because the Allied mid is Gold 1 and the enemy mid is plat 3 (I had lots of games like that last season when I was on plat 3). Especially because different roles has different impact on the game. A 3/0 mid is “gg bois” when a 3/0 adc is winnable

shot0404/7/2019, 12:53:48 PM1 votes

I disagree. I would like to see floors placed on each tier though. Like Hearthstone, where you get a floor every 5 ranks that you can’t be dropped below. This prevents a lot of frustration from loss streaks.

5050BS4/9/2019, 10:16:32 PM1 votes

100% should be removed

Ragnaveil4/6/2019, 3:52:38 AM1 votes

I'd say remove them up until plat 1 just to be safe.

MS Stranger12/4/2019, 2:33:42 AM1 votes

push

Yea, it's necro'd but jeezus friggin god damn this promo-thing.

f this, iam out. get a real ladder for ppl that dont play 12-15h a day. And even then....

Sleep On Stream4/6/2019, 6:41:17 AM1 votes

Agreed but riot wont do it because its forces you to lose games just watch RAT IRL he only lost on promos games even when he was 100 0 on his account the loss was a promo

AnotherFeeder4/6/2019, 11:48:05 AM1 votes

While I'd agree promos don't really serve a point, other than providing people a sense of accomplishment for winning CERTAIN games over others. The negative impact of having promos is kind of artificial as well. Even if you're losing your promos, but winning all of your other games... your MMR is still moving up and down as the same rate it would without the promos. Most fast elo climbers are more worried about keeping their MMR up than the actual rank, it's what enables you to skip, and gain more LP for your wins.

I think alot of these posts are kinda off key though... since if you're still in that elo range you still have a ton you can learn that would make your games in that elo basically trivial.

Tortílla4/6/2019, 12:37:04 PM1 votes

I believe promos should be removed if you've entered that specific rank in the previous season. Otherwise they should remain to test your skill (see if you deserve to be in the next rank). Promos from B1->S4 or S1>G4 should also remain, as they're different tiers.

Power Cosmic4/6/2019, 2:52:14 PM1 votes

It would be best as a fluid ladder where you eventually settled into a place where you play with players of similar output.

Brybrybryson4/6/2019, 3:47:02 PM1 votes

The point of putting you lower is because if you did it before you should be able to do it agian. Getting out of bronze is no problem. At all and if you are having a problem with that then you are not gold worthy or maybe not even high silver tbh. and your complaining about bronze to silver. Master players drop super far and deal with way more struggle then us silver, gold, or bronze players lol.

Every player high elo or not has delt with this and has overcome and got back where they were in a couple weeks and if you can't do that then your not worthy of a higher rank. I mean they even give you off season ranked (which is 10x easier then ranked during the season in my opinion) to get your mmr up.

And about promos I like it, it's like the final stretch to determine if you are good enough player to extend to the next rank and when people know they are in promos they try waayyyy harder and don't give up as easy.

That's a I had to say about this just wanted to throw my 2 cents in while I was on the toilet XD

Sugarlicious4/6/2019, 4:43:16 PM1 votes

I'm sure you are decent and all, but personally, I climbed out of bronze super easily this season. I was Silver 4 last season with around 55 win %. I got placed in bronze 2 after initial promos, climbed to 1 in a day, and from 1 skipped 5 and jumped right into silver 4 after the promos with 67-71 win %.

Mind you, I'm not a very active player, and this was all done in 24 games altogether, but yeah, my point is that maybe, just maybe, you did something wrong. Maybe you got tilted and played worse just because you expected silver right away? Maybe you played on a bad day? Maybe I just got lucky, although I must say, as a support main, I had some pretty terrible adcs as partners. Either way, try to relax, you'll get there eventually.

xAcidik4/6/2019, 9:34:24 PM1 votes

Its because they added Iron bud. Most Silver/bronze players have shifted down a bit.

Spears4you4/6/2019, 11:13:51 PM1 votes

Check this out https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WQVpKBZg-a-quick-thought-on-promos