Picks Teemo jg, team rages and refuses to leash, "why no ganks?"

Señor Karthus·Apr 28, 2015·54 votes·3,881 views

So I am experienced jungling with Teemo and I picked him in a Normals game to jungle. Two in my team made a fuzz about it and said I wouldn't get a leash. They actually didn't (Mid and Top). It took me longer to clear the 3 camps so I could b and upgrade machete. I was obviously a bit behind the enemy jungler. Helped bottom lane since they were nicer. We destroyed bot. We get dragon. Riven: "why no ganks when I am being camped? lmao i wish we didn't have a useless jungler"

1st: it is taking me longer because you were an asshole. 2nd: I have objectives like dragon. 3rd: you will be last on my list of ganks because you were an asshole.

Even if I was behind all game, I mined enemy jungle and controlled the map and won. Remember to be nice to your jungler.

45 Comments

IcyPepperApr 28, 201511 votes

"He without rage, ping for the first gank."

SinlaireApr 28, 20157 votes

"then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. "

Blue Moon WolfApr 28, 20151 votes

amen

Heavenly ShieldApr 28, 201511 votes

I LOVE TEEMO JUNGLE, I'm a Diamond Jungle Main. i played it in ranked a coupe of times. ITS Works, not the best. Map control once 6 is unreal. Drags should be pretty much free early on. Ganking, then sitting stealthed in the same lane you just ganked is funny as hell and works. One of the most entertaining junglers, I wouldnt do it if you don't have good runes or not experienced in the jungle.

DifferentialApr 28, 20151 votes

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I LOVE TEEMO JUNGLE, I'm a Diamond Jungle Main. i played it in ranked a coupe of times. ITS Works, not the best. Map control once 6 is unreal. Drags should be pretty much free early on. Ganking, then sitting stealthed in the same lane you just ganked is funny as hell and works. One of the most entertaining junglers, I wouldnt do it if you don't have good runes or not experienced in the jungle.

you're plat But thats besides the point I hate both of you for using teemo.

Heavenly ShieldApr 29, 20151 votes

Lolking Silly Willy, Was Diamond, Then Didn't Play.

For CarthageApr 28, 20158 votes

The literal only reason I stopped playing Teemo top:

Me: "So why are you just letting a clear counter that is pushed to my turret that I could beat with a gank or two just sit here and free farm?"

My entire team: "Because you picked Teemo."

Later into the game.

My entire team: "Teemo, why aren't you doing anything about the enemy top?"

Me: "... Is... is that a serious question right now, or are you just really trying hard to be an asshole?"

Now I only ever go Teemo support because at least then I'm usually guaranteed some teamwork just by having the ADC exist in the lane and my team not wanting a fed Jinx on their hands.

Occams RaiserApr 28, 20152 votes

When I play Heim I don't get a gank regardless what lane I play. Racists against Yordles.

BigLe2eApr 28, 20152 votes

That probably has more to do with the fact you set up camp with your little robots under the enemy turret

Occams RaiserApr 28, 20151 votes

Nah. I was mid lane. I held turrets deliberately. I was top. Both of us was level nine and I had even got a kill from a failed gank. Then I was the only one who hadn't fed. Nothing. Wouldn't even come help me knock down the tower. They think us weak. People sure do love their self fulfilling prophecies.

Rinky DinkyApr 28, 20152 votes

I usually get worshipped when I pick the little shitter.

No one plays teemo anymore, and even if he is satan, satan is amongst the gods

HawkefireApr 28, 20156 votes

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So I am experienced jungling with Teemo and I picked him in a Normals game to jungle. Two in my team made a fuzz about it and said I wouldn't get a leash. They actually didn't (Mid and Top). It took me longer to clear the 3 camps so I could b and upgrade machete. I was obviously a bit behind the enemy jungler. Helped bottom lane since they were nicer. We destroyed bot. We get dragon. Riven: "why no ganks when I am being camped? lmao i wish we didn't have a useless jungler"

1st: it is taking me longer because you were an asshole. 2nd: I have objectives like dragon. 3rd: you will be last on my list of ganks because you were an asshole.

Even if I was behind all game, I mined enemy jungle and controlled the map and won. Remember to be nice to your jungler.

First and foremost, you should try to start wherever your bot lane is, as they can give you a better leash.

It is fairly difficult to leash as a top laner because if you stay even a hint too long the enemy top laner will get the advantage against him (whether the enemy uses it is an entirely different question).

Second, Mid doesn't really leash anymore. Since you are starting either Kruggs, or Gromp, it is too difficult for mid lane to actually leash and still be able to get back to lane and not miss cs.

Not that I am defending this particular top laner in this case, but there are times when as a top laner you simply cannot afford to leash your jungler because of the nature of the matchup (this is particularly prevalent when dealing with very hard matchups), and thus you shouldn't expect him to.

Señor KarthusApr 28, 20152 votes

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First and foremost, you should try to start wherever your bot lane is, as they can give you a better leash.

It is fairly difficult to leash as a top laner because if you stay even a hint too long the enemy top laner will get the advantage against him (whether the enemy uses it is an entirely different question).

Second, Mid doesn't really leash anymore. Since you are starting either Kruggs, or Gromp, it is too difficult for mid lane to actually leash and still be able to get back to lane and not miss cs.

Not that I am defending this particular top laner in this case, but there are times when as a top laner you simply cannot afford to leash your jungler because of the nature of the matchup (this is particularly prevalent when dealing with very hard matchups), and thus you shouldn't expect him to.

I start red. So it is like the previous season with either top or mid helping. Both refused. I coudl have started anywhere else if the problem was that red is too far. Which is not. but i would have. They just refused to leash.

Angry MonsterApr 28, 20154 votes

i would not expect mid to help as a jungler. And top is only going to give a few hits a most they did not really slow you down. Startign red is questionable when you can start with doubles and get the stun effect.

I am off two minds of the way the people acted. First off you are a temmo jungle and therefore being trolly. Range champs are really bad junglers; they can be done but should you. But your team sounds whinny, i would of done my 3 hits and moved on even with the troll pick. I would no be happy that i have a temmo jungle on my team but i play to win.

Rinky DinkyApr 28, 20152 votes

Kayle TwistedFate Nidalee

NarasimhaApr 28, 20152 votes

You know Nida does most of her jungling in Cougar form, right? Human form is only used to heal and set up for hunting.

T RexHasLongLegsApr 28, 20151 votes

You probably have more experience than me but my guess would be he did red to get the hp back on smite and more importantly to be able to kite the soft leash (5 max now right?) on the other camps easier since he is ranged. Also even if they don't do damage some times you can get an aa cancel from juggling aggro and that can help weak 1st clear a lot

HawkefireApr 28, 20151 votes

You are just going to have to be able to adapt to the situation here, most people now-a-days will find it odd if you start at red or blue buff (especially mid laners, and to a bit of a lesser extent top laners).

Honestly, if you want to start at a buff then you should get a group of friends together and go premade (or duo with someone if in ranked), otherwise you should be prepared to start at Kruggs or Gromp.

The key to being able to play in the jungle successfully is knowing how to adapt to the situation, whether that be adapting to your enemies, or even adapting to your supposed allies

Edit: For example: when your top and mid laner refused to leash you, you should have checked if bot lane would leash you and then proceed to go and start down by bot lane, it might not be exactly what you wanted, but it is better then getting no leash at all. Now if everyone refused to leash you, well that is just the risks of playing an off-meta/unusual jungler.

SinatraZApr 28, 20153 votes

You made the right decision. I wouldn't gank for this Riven either.

TylialaApr 28, 20153 votes

Heck ya for trying new things in normal queue! Where can u try it otherwise? Plus, I think Teemo makes a good jungler with his speed boost and vision control. Why not?
Gank is about expanding the already-extablished advantage in certain lane, not just to save someone from being camped. Duh!
If you are on top lane, you supposed to survive from gank pressure. Plus, why would I help you if you were an ahole?

ShaftyMegeeApr 28, 20153 votes

I don't like teemo As a champ, I think he's annoying. But I will still leash for you if you are my jungler, I will still be nice to you, just because I want to have a non toxic game.

NarasimhaApr 28, 20152 votes

I'm actually kind of curious, how does Teemo jungle even work? He doesn't have the cc or the upfront damage to gank anyone, and he doesn't have the clear speed to be an afk farmer. So...what's the point of it? Or is it just a "for the lulz" thing?

Señor KarthusApr 28, 20152 votes

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I'm actually kind of curious, how does Teemo jungle even work? He doesn't have the cc or the upfront damage to gank anyone, and he doesn't have the clear speed to be an afk farmer. So...what's the point of it? Or is it just a "for the lulz" thing?

Teemo jung brings more to the table than what you think. his clear is REALLY good with the proper jungle buffs and timing your Q correctly to make monster miss 2 attacks. He can plague the map with mush and help every lane against ganks. He can invade enemy jungle and kill jungler while he farms. He gives a lot of map control and situational advantage when teamfighting in the jungle. And he usually ends up dealing the most damage to champions of all the players. He can also gank effectively killing adcs in 2 seconds. Not everything in the game is cc (which he has when the enemy team wants to engage and they step on a mush) and not everything in the game is gank and kill. There are many things that can work in favor of your team and make them dominate their lanes or play safer.

Rinky DinkyApr 28, 20151 votes

With the blind bugfix he can block 3 now.

You just have to blind right as the enemy swing hits you (Make sure you blind before gromp's projectile leaves)

Occams RaiserApr 28, 20151 votes

It depends on the level of the Teemo player. Most run like bitches. Once they get to High silver they get a little boss. The team still has to cater to him till mid game so he is weaker than normal junglers. But you cant follow him or counter jungle him. So he controls objectives and stops ganks. If you are on a blood thirsty team as Teemo its GG. They will keep asking you to come help them with team fights all in the open. You can chill ready for an ambush in strategic spots and have your team bait. Bye bye adc. Take care of my light work, boys.

Rinky DinkyApr 28, 20151 votes

All he needs is redbuff to murder someone in a gank.

Earl EulrichApr 28, 20151 votes

it´s much like twitch jungle...it´s really much dmg, but even if you don´t kill someone just drive-by-shooting them and force them to recall gains your laner a huge advantage. Also, past 6 you can just totally control the other jungler.

JabberwöckyApr 28, 20152 votes

I like this thread, im a teemo jungler as well, only in silver 3 atm, went from silver 5 doing it though.

Currently got around 40 games played with it, around a 63% win rate. was 68%, but you know, trolls.

You guys should add me so we can get into a group chat sometimes and discuss teemo jungle strats :)

BigLe2eApr 28, 20152 votes

Teemo is a crap champ that deserves to be exterminated like the little rat he is. I love when my opponent picks teemo, means I'm getting fed for little effort.

Rinky DinkyApr 28, 20152 votes

6 Lifetime Upvotes

I'm fucking crying

BigLe2eApr 28, 20151 votes

Please, teach me to neckbeard like you

Random DancingApr 29, 20151 votes

Pretty sure you've already got that on lock. Sitting on a forum purposefully fishing for downvotes is 100% neckbeard.

BigLe2eJun 5, 20151 votes

No, flexing your forum lifetime vote nuts, like mr lane cancer, and you white knighting him because I said some real shit about the garbage rat champ is the definition of neckbeard.

PoenacanuckApr 28, 20152 votes

That speaks to a larger problem. Anytime anyone ever loses lane it's the junglers fault lol. I don't know why but Riven's all seem to be like that. Push to enemy tower, get ganked and die... repeat.

AJStarhikerApr 28, 20152 votes

What kind of build do you run for jungle Teemo? I've been playing him for years, and currently Jungle is the only place I haven't used him more than once (that one time was a bad fail and I haven't gone back since.)

Señor KarthusApr 29, 20151 votes

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What kind of build do you run for jungle Teemo? I've been playing him for years, and currently Jungle is the only place I haven't used him more than once (that one time was a bad fail and I haven't gone back since.)

This is my usual build: item 3716 works great for Teemo. 20% cDR for the mushrooms and ability power + you get less damage from the guy you are trying to kill + you deal an extra damage over time that adds to your poison. I've also played building item 3718 instead if all my lanes are doing great and I know I am going to have a calm pleasant farming time because I am not that much needed in lane. It adds insane extra magic damage to your aa with E and Nashor. But this works only if your team is having a good early game. item 3020 item 3151 item 3115 item 3135 item 3089 item 3361

Quints Marks and Seals of Attack Speed and glyphs of AP. And masteries 17 offensive 13 defensive (to make up for the non defensive runes).

AJStarhikerApr 29, 20151 votes

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This is my usual build: works great for Teemo. 20% cDR for the mushrooms and ability power + you get less damage from the guy you are trying to kill + you deal an extra damage over time that adds to your poison. I've also played building instead if all my lanes are doing great and I know I am going to have a calm pleasant farming time because I am not that much needed in lane. It adds insane extra magic damage to your aa with E and Nashor. But this works only if your team is having a good early game.

Quints Marks and Seals of Attack Speed and glyphs of AP. And masteries 17 offensive 13 defensive (to make up for the non defensive runes).

I'll have to give it a try sometime, assuming I can find a Team Builder group that'll let me experiment.

Earl EulrichApr 28, 20151 votes

I´m not really a fan of leashing jungle nowadays, usually the lane has to give up too much for it (getting lvl 2 second is just an incredible disadvantage vs good players) - and most junglers do just fine without the leash anyway (good lord, i can even jungle swain without a leash). Apart from that i fully agree, just because a pick is "off-meta" you always should give it a chance to suceed first instead of hoping for it to fail as a selffullfilling proficy due to your own sabotage.

warpenguin555Apr 28, 20151 votes

Mid doesnt need to leash. Riven should have.

MathbalnaseApr 29, 20151 votes

If top doesn't (for instance, because they're an ass), mid should.

Sypher The PoroApr 28, 20151 votes

I feel your pain. I love the word off-meta stuff, Riven jungle, Gnar support, etc. However, most people tend to hate on you unless you carry their game. Went Nunu mid once, and my entire team except the person I was partied with was like "gg LeBlanc destroy you". I made that game hell for LeBlanc. My snowballs (Which she tried to dodge with W/Flash all game) hurt way more than her poke, and costs less mana with my passive. I could heal myself with Q, and could solo Dragon super easily because of it. I was legendary all through mid-game, but we still lost because of two DCs. And of course, I get blamed for losing the game.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1805276309/209417324?tab=stats (My CS was awful, I was too busy roaming. But I got so many kills, it didn't really matter. Yi DC'ed to talk with someone but came back, where Vayne left because and I quote: "The support took too many kills and she was too behind.")

IngloriousApr 28, 20151 votes

Do not teemo jungle.

Great PyreneesApr 29, 20151 votes

I also teemo jungle. I have a question for you. Is it just me or does it ALWAYS feel like "If I stand here and trade without moving I will die". I get leads on people and yet with such a sustained damage kit I always feel like it better to peck then finish than stand and fight like a yordel. I play teemo ad, ap jungle supp. Hes a fun little buddy. Any tips?

TEHLAWLFlRMApr 29, 20151 votes

We'll there are plenty of times I've helped the jungle and he refused to gank for me out of laziness.. I remember one game where their jungle came top 10 times and camped my lane and I didn't die but with two people pushing with minions I lost tower and My jungle didn't come top once.. When I said umm jungle why aren't you helping top? His excuse was buy wards.. it's not my responsibility to help you win lane.

Stupidity is bliss when it comes to jungles as well..