Any Kindred mains that could give some advice?

Ternt·Feb 9, 2016·1 votes·1,078 views

I'm looking to switch my champion pool from tanks to actual damage dealers. Last season I mained Rek'Sai, Ekko and Gragas (although I played a lot of Lee when I got bored of them). I'm looking to pick up an AD Jungler that has strong early game presence, which is my preference in a jungler. I'm looking for an opinion of Warrior vs Devourer. I personally feel like Warrior would be best, since she seems like more of a burst AD caster than a purely auto attack reliant jungler. Also, do you think BoRK is worth buying still? With the nerfs to it, the item itself just seems lackluster as a whole.

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ToasteyFeb 9, 20161 votes

Not a Kindred main, but I did play a lot of Kindred when she was released up through patch 6.1. Haven't played her much since, as I've transitioned into ADC and she's pretty bad in that position atm.

As for your questions, I can help a bit. You definitely want Warrior over Devourer; your assessment is 100% correct for the reasons behind that. BotRK isn't worth buying unless you're up against something like a Mundo. Like you said, she's not a very auto-reliant champion, and she gets %HP damage from her passive and her E anyway. For jungle Kindred, I think the build would go something like this:

Tracker's Knife/Skirmisher's Sabre -> Warrior enchant -> Berserker's Greaves/Boots of Swiftness -> Essence Reaver -> Rapidfire Cannon -> Bloodthirster/Mercurial Scimitar -> Infinity Edge/Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder. I'm not entirely sure, since I haven't played jungle Kindred yet on the current patch.

TerntFeb 9, 20161 votes

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Not a Kindred main, but I did play a lot of Kindred when she was released up through patch 6.1. Haven't played her much since, as I've transitioned into ADC and she's pretty bad in that position atm.

As for your questions, I can help a bit. You definitely want Warrior over Devourer; your assessment is 100% correct for the reasons behind that. BotRK isn't worth buying unless you're up against something like a Mundo. Like you said, she's not a very auto-reliant champion, and she gets %HP damage from her passive and her E anyway. For jungle Kindred, I think the build would go something like this:

Tracker's Knife/Skirmisher's Sabre -> Warrior enchant -> Berserker's Greaves/Boots of Swiftness -> Essence Reaver -> Rapidfire Cannon -> Bloodthirster/Mercurial Scimitar -> Infinity Edge/Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder. I'm not entirely sure, since I haven't played jungle Kindred yet on the current patch.

Yeh, that makes sense. I really like hybrid builds, since this meta is all about getting blown up. I was thinking something along the lines of this for a build..

item 1408 item 3142 item 3053 item 3094 item 3156 item 3009

It's similar to a Graves build, where you rely more on your spells than your AS for damage. I've also considered something like this..

item 1408 item 3142 item 3025 item 3155 item 3053 item 3111

It gives you burst potential, but also allows sustain in team fights. All would be tweaked per game, naturally, but for the most part I think Iceborn is one of the best items in the game right now. Kindred seems to have Mana problems if she doesn't have blue buff and she never really builds items to cap her CDR. So 10% from Warrior, 20% from Iceborn and flat 5% glyphs with 5% scaling glyphs would get you to 35~40% depending on the game. This would also give you the ability to not get blown up (if ult is down).

ToasteyFeb 9, 20161 votes

Those builds look too bruiser-ish for her, and they don't really cater to her scalings. I can see the Youmuu's being okay, but the Sterak's and Iceborn definitely don't fit, and the Maw is situational at best. Her kit is in a weird spot where she wants flat armour pen (since she has pretty bad AD scalings at 20% for her Q and E, and 40% for her W), a shitload of attack speed (since her W scales with attack speed for some reason), and mana to spam-cast her Q.

I take back what I said about the first build; I was thinking too much like an ADC. The %winrate build is probably close to, if not the best.

FjiordorFeb 9, 20161 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Kindred/Jungle I really enjoy the Win% build on her

TerntFeb 9, 20161 votes

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https://champion.gg/champion/Kindred/Jungle I really enjoy the Win% build on her

Yeh, I was looking at that which is why I was asking. But for me, I don't like heavy AA reliant champions. When I play ADC, I still play AD casters like Quinn or Lucian who only AA as a secondary damage source really. Quinn and Lucian rely mainly on stacking their passive from skills, and casting the skills properly is the entire damage source for them.

FjiordorFeb 9, 20161 votes

For Kindred AA are here primary source of Damage by far. She has a bit similar playstyle to Vayne and exels at fighting early and anooying tanks later on.

If you really dislike this then try the Trinity force build on her; but in my opinions the onhit/%dmg build on her is what makes her shine

TerntFeb 9, 20161 votes

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For Kindred AA are here primary source of Damage by far. She has a bit similar playstyle to Vayne and exels at fighting early and anooying tanks later on.

If you really dislike this then try the Trinity force build on her; but in my opinions the onhit/%dmg build on her is what makes her shine

So essentially, Devourer would be best if you can get enough stacks per game? Is that why her highest win rate build is Devourer and not Warrior?

FjiordorFeb 10, 20161 votes

Yes indeed because she doesn't really needs cdr but her stacks are really important. Warrior was only good when it gave armorpen

WeatheredFeb 9, 20161 votes

item 1412 item 3142 item 3094 item 3053 item 3022 item 3009 is usually a good build. BOTRK isn't as useful anymore because of the nerfs, so its better just to rush damage and pen like Youmuus and then start to get your RFC and slip into tankiness.

Taric the GayFeb 10, 20161 votes

Always stay moving. It charges your health on your w.

NojerryMay 21, 20161 votes

I had a legit essay on this question, then my fucking internet froze.

TerntMay 25, 20161 votes

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I had a legit essay on this question, then my fucking internet froze.

It's all good. I ended up maining her for a majority of the season so far, but since she went to like Ezreal/Lucian status, I haven't been playing her as much. I'll consider picking her back up when they change her kit in 6.11, because I think it'll make her really strong again.