Why is 3-0 a failed surrender vote?

Nucleophilic atk·Apr 28, 2015·3 votes·1,593 views

I don't complain that it takes 4 votes to ff, because I think it should. But 3-0 is 100% yes vote. If you don't vote, it shouldn't go against the team.

23 Comments

LazyBubApr 28, 20153 votes

not voting counts as a no, so no.

Nucleophilic atkApr 28, 20151 votes

Actually, not voting counts as not voting.

LazyBubApr 28, 20152 votes

No i mean that's what the system takes it as

TUFF PuppyApr 28, 20152 votes

if you have a disconnected player (as in a player no longer in the game) a 3 vote will work

If someone doesn't vote to surrender it's because they don't want to surrender. The system treats it as such.

Nucleophilic atkApr 28, 20151 votes

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If someone doesn't vote to surrender it's because they don't want to surrender. The system treats it as such.

That is not how voting is supposed to work lol.

LazyBubApr 28, 20153 votes

If it was a real voting, not voting wouldn't be an option, and they'd likely press no. Since they know the outcome either way wouldn't affect the result.

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20152 votes

Last time I checked, not voting is an option on every single thing they vote for? Or do you actually think 100% of people vote for the president? If someone is running for a second term, they don't count all the people that didn't vote as "they would be likely to just re-vote the same person in".

LazyBubApr 29, 20151 votes

Last time I checked, proper voting needed a percentage of votes to one decision/object/person in order for the vote to pass?

In this case, 80% needs to vote yes in order for the vote to pass. Now stop crying Nunu

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

3-0 is 100%. Furthermore, if you have an afk, 3-1 wins a surrender vote....which is 75%. The more ya know....

LazyBubApr 29, 20152 votes

sorry, I didn't know 3 divided by 5 was 100%. What I'm trying to say is that there needs to be a threshold of 80% of the votes for yes in order for the vote to be passed. So the voting needs to be done again, after a certain amount of time. But why do I explain to 10 year olds that think they know politics..

sorry, I'll leave you alone, I guess it's time for you to go to school.

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

3 yes and 0 no is 100% :)

Also, your 80% threshold theory is also wrong...since when an afk happens, a 3/4 vote surrenders the match. Last time I had math, 3/4 was not >= 80%. So nope.

I guess you will leave me alone so that you can actually go back to school....or at least need to.

LazyBubApr 29, 20151 votes

When there's an afk, that voter is not considered and the threshold is reduced to 75% (for obvious reasons since 80% cannot be reached).

I thought you wanted to talk politics, but i guess you just come up with whatever comes out from the little brain inside your head, sorry for misunderstanding you :)

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

Lol, you said 80%. I showed you that is wrong. You proceed to continue saying 80% is right and then try telling me to go to school. I am literally laughing at your business major logic right now xD

Handsome JhinApr 28, 20152 votes

Honestly, the way the system works makes no sense. If a player doesn't care enough either way to vote no on a surrender vote, but the majority of their team does care enough to vote yes, then it should be a surrender. A lot of times, I won't vote on a surrender vote until I see at least three people saying yes. I'd rather not go on playing a game that my team has given up on and has agreed to be a loss.

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

I'm not even against the 4 needed yes votes....but I think 3-0 should be a surrender. When people don't vote for the president, they just aren't taken into account. They don't count as votes against someone lol.

EleshakaiApr 29, 20152 votes

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I'm not even against the 4 needed yes votes....but I think 3-0 should be a surrender. When people don't vote for the president, they just aren't taken into account. They don't count as votes against someone lol.

Well you're not against it taking FOUR VOTES. So it takes FOUR YES VOTES. Three is less than four, so they are not reaching the required threshold.

The only time they reduce the threshold is if someone has actually left the game.

Still sounds fair to me.

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

Let me rephrase. I'm not against it being 4-1 instead of 3-2 needed. But, 3-0 is 100% voted yes.

EleshakaiApr 29, 20152 votes

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Let me rephrase. I'm not against it being 4-1 instead of 3-2 needed. But, 3-0 is 100% voted yes.

But it's 3 people voted yes which is still only 60% of the people IN THE GAME. A person who opts not to vote is not voting in support of it, they still exist in the game. I believe Riot has set the threshold at 66% of the people in the game have to be willing to surrender. Thus with 1 person gone, 3 votes is sufficient. With 2 gone, 2 votes is sufficient. IF there are only two people remaining, I'm pretty sure it takes both of them to surrender. It's a threshold of people PRESENT IN THE GAME that matters, not a threshold of people who have opted to vote. Some people just ignore surrender votes because they'd rather not waste their time on them - like me. That doesn't mean I want to surrender, it just means I have BETTER THINGS ON MY MIND than pushing a button that has no relevance on my performance.

Honestly, I kind of think Surrendering should be changed so that in stead of a conscious vote, it's a toggle that is perpetually available after 20 minutes... it starts on 'no' and if you WANT to surrender, you change it to yes. Nobody knows you've done so, it's just been changed. If at any point the threshold of people wanting to surrender is crossed, a surrender occurs instantly.

I really think that 'surrender votes' are the most toxicity inducing thing around, because they force people to make a decision about whether they want to play AND they let people KNOW that you don't want to. I think that's a horrible concept. Having it just be an anonymous toggle would be a much more productive way to handle it, and that way nobody would ever need to WASTE THEIR TIME voting. And nobody would ever again be frustrated by someone spamming surrender votes.

HellpyreApr 29, 20151 votes

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Let me rephrase. I'm not against it being 4-1 instead of 3-2 needed. But, 3-0 is 100% voted yes.

What the system wants is 75% of available voters to say yes. If someone doesn't vote (say, because they are too busy playing to click a button) they are still counted as a present and available voter. Thus, 3-0 is only 60% yes, and not 75%. The other two players have NOT agreed to change the current status of the game.

powerbatsApr 29, 20152 votes

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I'm not even against the 4 needed yes votes....but I think 3-0 should be a surrender. When people don't vote for the president, they just aren't taken into account. They don't count as votes against someone lol.

Actually not voting at all can be considered a no vote still because you didn't like either choice so you didn't vote for either of the candiates yet still voted on the down ballot stuff.

EleshakaiApr 28, 20152 votes

The people who are not voting are too busy playing to waste their time voting so they should be counted as 'yes' because they clearly still want to play!

Nucleophilic atkApr 29, 20151 votes

If they are talking up a storm in chat, or dead, I highly doubt they are too busy playing lol.

DrCyanideApr 29, 20151 votes

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I don't complain that it takes 4 votes to ff, because I think it should. But 3-0 is 100% yes vote. If you don't vote, it shouldn't go against the team.

"Against the team" can be defined as going against what's good for the team's odds of winning. With that logic, a Yes surrender vote goes against the team's chances of winning (however slim > 0%), which means that a failure to vote should be a No vote. Which is what it currently is.