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@Riot Ignoring Karma for 3 Years Now. Why?

Vanjie··8 votes·892 views

Karma was the 1st relaunch, but riot always has an excuse not work on Karma. No skins, no lore, no updated splashes, no twin dragons, no haste animation, no shield animation, no unique dance animation, no thematic cohesion, and much more. Every time someone brings up a question about Karma, you ignore it and have been mute about her for three years now. The few times you do answer a question about her, which was only two or three times, you have a nifty excuse as to why she is not being worked on and why you will not work on her.

  1. You did not have the technology to really work on Karma when you relaunched her, which resulted in what we have today.
  2. Her kit is balanced but doesn't fit. We understand this but we feel there are other champions in need of our time.
  3. Karma will probably be worked on during the Enchanter Class Update or an Ionian Event.

The thing is these are all excuses and not actual legitimate reasons as to why you won't even talk about her or work on Karma. You only seem to have excuses as to why you will not work on her, but reassure us that in time you will actually work on Karma. Why is this exactly a problem? You are very aware of Karma's problems and quite frankly if her current kit and visual appearance were designed in a way that fit her theme, Karma wouldn't be a problem. You stripped any identity Karma had and didn't give her a new one. If you wanted to relaunch this champion at least have the audacity to finish it and give us an identity that is cohesive. You cannot even do that to this day. You can work on Ryze 7 times, give Malz a decent makeover in his appearance, spend ample enough time on Annie, Brand and Vel'Koz . . . and for what reason? None.

  • You have the technology now to give Karma the theme, cohesive kit, updated splash, properly designed and unique champion appearance, twin dragons, a proper shield and haste animation, unique dance animation, and more. If you have the technology to give us a cohesive theme and kit, why has it been 3 years and 7 Ryze reworks later . . . and you cannot even be bothered to talk about Karma, besides having an excuse?

  • Karma's kit is not bad. Besides her W that needs to be tweaked a little bit and having a new passive that fits her theme, Karma is not a bad champion. Sure there was things everyone loved about old Karma, but the League of Legends community can move on from anything as long as it is done correctly and we know there is a Development team that cares. You haven't done anything in three years to convince any of us that you care about what is right for the champion . . . . She needs a fresh coat a paint and some cohesion in her kit. Quite frankly I think she is too strong and you guys are trying to hide the fact that her kit doesn't really fit the champion . . . . by bolstering her ability numbers to digits it shouldn't be at.

  • You say you are going to work on Karma during these times . . . yet almost all of the support items and mechanics are being looked at right now. All of the Enchanters that are part of the class have been worked on. Almost all of the champions from Ionia have been worked on. When will Karma get the work she really needs? In another 3 to 4 years when Riot feels it is a good time to work on her. During this time Ryze will have received his 10th rework and a boat load of other champions will continue to be neglected. If you are going to give the community of fans high hopes that you are going to work on their main and favorite champion, don't work on everything around her and not Karma. It really shows us that all you have plans for Karma is walking up to a keyboard and hitting two numbers on it . . . . . to say "Hey . . . . we worked on Karma . . . . . and we have no plans to work on her for three more years, but we will continue to waste a lot of time on Ryze, Brand and Vel'Koz".

I do not feel like you Red Names really understand how frustrating it is to support a game you love, but be ignored by a bunch of careless creators . . . . for years and years. Giving excuses is not giving anyone hope that you will finally address problems with their mains and favorite champions. It is showing us that we are supporting a game we love, but it is being run by a Development that doesn't have that same devotion. You are coming off as uncaring and having a lot of excues as to why you will not work on something.

Karma doesn't need a lot of work compared to the 7 times you worked on Ryze. She doesn't even need that much work compared to the amount of time you worked on Brand and Vel'Koz, which didn't accomplish anything. She needs her relaunch to be finished and properly fleshed out . . . . . so she can be a cohesive champion worthy of being played in LCS. She is not a complete champion. All of the work on Karma since her relaunch three years ago is an insult to all of the supporters of this game and champion. To the countless players like Squid, Midnight Karma and other Karma mains . . . I feel very sorry for them. I also feel sorry for players that main and love Shen and Morde. We need a Development team that cares, communicates, and shows us they plan on actively working on them. It has yet to happen and you seem to have no problem giving it to Ryze 7 times and Brand and Vel'Koz, when there were no problems with Brand or Vel'Koz.

I am not trying to come off demeaning or rude, but it is hard to care about something in a game if the Developers of it do not. I know you can give us a wonderful champion with a cohesive kit and theme, but you haven't showed any care in the world to do so for three years now. It's really insulting and makes you look bad, Riot Games.

25 Comments

SilverSquid3 votes

So, let's break this down.

  1. Riot decides to rework Karma (3.5) with too little ressources and no proper rework team. Forcing them to rush it.
  2. Riot removes part of her visual identity (fanweapons, dance) without replacing it with something worthwhile (green blobs, shen dance).
  3. Riot removes parts of her gameplay identity (bait potential, mantra resource system, lvl6 spells, tether mechanic....).
  4. Riot adds parts that dillude her identity (adding poke to a burstmage and disruptor CC to an enchanter).
  5. Overall Riot replaces one of the most unique kits back then with a kit that has no unique features.
  6. Riot decides to update her 2 years later, trusting the work with a person, that thinks it's a good idea to remove her most iconic damage spell (shieldbomb) to buff a forced passive nobody likes.
  7. This same person moves the duality away from Karma (damage and utility on all mantras) and converts her into a flexible trinity figure (3 mantras, that only really work with 3 different builds),
  8. This person also considers it a good idea, to give Karma only one damage combo in lane (W-RQ), all while pretending to increase Karma's contextual decision making.
  9. Riot decides to (not) adress the concerns of the community by buffing her into relevancy.
  10. Once overbuffed Riot realizes that a kit without direction and strong values is too strong in competitive, so they remove skillchecks for Karma.

Karma feels like a failed experiment, a test project that they could use to learn about how to rework champions. This rework was a disgrace on all levels except visually (but even here some people would disagree). It did not understand Karma's identity, it did not provide anything new to the game. Rick's update was a confused mess, and just like the Life Balance Team, highlighted how little they understands the champion AND community they were entrusted with.

Any single mistake that Riot made concerning Karma is understandable and defendable. But the continuation of those mistakes in spite of the endless amount of feedback from the community is the real concern here. For once after 4 years I want to see a Karma rework, update, buff, nerf or change that actually shows Riot understands and adresses her issues.

And don't get me started on them "updating mages with identity issues" but not including Karma because she is too mobile. But Ziggs, Kennen and Viktor clearly have no comparable mobility. An then telling us they update her with enchanters, while recently having worked on Zilean, Lulu, Soraka, Sona, Taric and while Bard is still fresh (leaving Nami, Janna and Karma).

IxtaliKing1 votes

Makes me wonder if they could fit in a small roster update with just Nami, Janna and Karma in between the Divers and Vanguards. That's wishful thinking though, I don't see why they can't do an update of that scope just for Karma and get it out of the way.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Ignoring karma?

Aatrox Yorick Galio would like to have a word with you.

Sukishoo1 votes

YOU WILL NOT FORGET

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wdhy_foa0tw/V7dgOT-eKAI/AAAAAAAA9u8/D3ws66BRJOop-ckGwGFsutDLCnZqErwewCLcB/s640/asdadasd.jpg

aka he is coming :)

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Wow, that looks nice :D

Well still aatrox and galio wait in the shithole rip

Sukishoo1 votes

Yeah it's coming :D Riot posted that on their Facebook today so I CANNOT WAIT :D

IxtaliKing3 votes

Aatrox will be addressed in the Diver update after the assassins, and Galio is quite high on the VGU list. At least we know what's happening with them, meanwhile Karma is the can kicked down the road. They know she's not just a failure on many levels, she's also incomplete. That's disgraceful.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Well aatrox was released when riot said they were nerfing sustain... [zombie-brand-facepalm] [slayer-jinx-unamused]

IxtaliKing1 votes

I can't wait to see what they do with Aatrox tbh, he has a lot of potential

GULAG 4 U2 votes

His current kit also has a lot of potential. I mean with enough gold he's good at everything, but there are siply champions that do better at a less cost

IxtaliKing2 votes

This is what I don't understand... if you have a piece of work that is unfinished, why would you put it off indefinitely to take on other work? The worst thing about this Karma situation is that she doesn't even need that much work done to be complete. Her Mantra needs changes so it's no longer a low CD Heimer ult, her W needs updating, her RE shield damage needs to return and she needs a new passive more suited to her theme. Karma needs to be taken back to her roots.

Edit: Also, this isn't a matter of "we can't please everyone with our reworks", you have alienated Karma's core fan base to make her more palatable to the general community. For a game with so many characters that's a terrible thing to do and I hope this never happens to another champ again.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i dunno man i mean there is the cluster fuck dynamic queue, and the other 131 champs Aatrox Ahri Akali Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe AurelionSol Azir Bard Blitzcrank Brand Braum Caitlyn Cassiopeia Chogath Corki Darius Diana DrMundo Draven Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Fizz Galio Gangplank Garen Gnar Gragas Graves Hecarim Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Jhin Jinx Kalista Karthus Kassadin Katarina Kayle Kennen Khazix Kindred Kled KogMaw Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lissandra Lucian Lulu Lux Malphite Malzahar Maokai MasterYi MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Nocturne Nunu Olaf Orianna Pantheon Poppy Quinn Rammus RekSai Renekton Rengar Riven Rumble Ryze Sejuani Shaco Shen Shyvana Singed Sion Sivir Skarner Sona Soraka Swain Syndra TahmKench Taliyah Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana Trundle Tryndamere TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Vayne Veigar Velkoz Vi Viktor Vladimir Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Yasuo Yorick Zac Zed Ziggs Zilean Zyra

geez im summoner 3 now....

Vanjie1 votes

I know. That is why I really strongly feel that 3 VGU a year is not good. There is so much in this game that needs updating and it is very behind.

Sukishoo1 votes

They need to only do a small amount or else they'd have more champs end up the way you feel Karma did. So 2-3 a year is a perfect fit or the champs would get severally rushed.

Sukishoo1 votes

no updated splashes

Her splashes are coming but they do not prioritize them based on who was first. Sion just hit the PBE, Fiora's are next being she only needs 2, Twitch will follow shortly after that and then who knows, KARMA could be the one after that!

Vanjie4 votes

Honestly they shouldn't even bother until they give her a proper VU.

Sukishoo2 votes

VU... she looks fine.

Vanjie3 votes

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zrHgmN6uoto/maxresdefault.jpg

Nope. That is what we were supposed to get. The work they did on her is not what we were supposed to receive. It is unfinished and rushed.

Sukishoo1 votes

No, there's no "supposed to get" on an initial piece of work. This is what we call a concept. Ever seen the Rek'sai concept, http://pre15.deviantart.net/fd33/th/pre/f/2015/028/8/9/rek_sai_the_void_burrower_early_concept_pitch_by_yideth-d8fqovn.jpg it had a pretty cool design but wasn't what they ended up with in-game because some of these just don't fully fit the formatting and design of the game.

IxtaliKing2 votes

Rek'Sai's concept actually looks like a concept art, even though it's cool you can see how she went from that to what she is. Karma's on the other hand looks the other way around, it feels like they just settled for what we have now for whatever reason.

Vanjie2 votes

I don't think I am explaining this correctly. When Riot relaunched Karma in 2013 we were supposed to receive the visual update I posted. A lot of the Karma fans said they hated it and it was "fixed and unfinished" with what we have today. All of her animations are incomplete and her kit doesn't fit her theme. You can say whatever you want and give excuses for Riot Games unfinished work. Karma is an incomplete champion Riot even admits was rushed and not completed. She remains incomplete for three years now.

Sukishoo2 votes

We did receive that, as again, it's concept art. They took the concept and made it into what we got.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zrHgmN6uoto/maxresdefault.jpg

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Karma_0.jpg

These are pretty much the same thing when you look at them. There's only subtle differences that honestly aren't important. Visually when looked at you can see the same champion, and that's all that mattered in the end. The overall work that went into her might not have been what they could have done though, since she does have some iffy animations, unfinished art (as do most of their updates, but they are in the works), and so on.

They've just grown over time so they will get to fixing these things when time permits. Yorick is proof of that, since he's been waiting since 2011 to be touched in any way possible, and now 2016, almost 5 years later he finally gets the love that he deserves (as they've begun to show his teasers).

Pretzel1 votes

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I don't think I am explaining this correctly. When Riot relaunched Karma in 2013 we were supposed to receive the visual update I posted. A lot of the Karma fans said they hated it and it was "fixed and unfinished" with what we have today. All of her animations are incomplete and her kit doesn't fit her theme. You can say whatever you want and give excuses for Riot Games unfinished work. Karma is an incomplete champion Riot even admits was rushed and not completed. She remains incomplete for three years now.

He is right though. Current Karma has less quotes than the previous iteration of karma. It's kind of sad too. It seems like Karma is becoming a popular (or at least welcome) pick in LCS games, so maybe this traction will be enough of an excuse to give Karma the full update that she deserves.

Vanjie1 votes

She has no quotes or character elements at all. Riot removed all of her identity and didn't give her a new one. Everything from her kit, lore, theme, and visuals was removed.

Vanjie1 votes

BUMP.

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