http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/
Last month, across the whole community Lee sits at a low 45.99% win rate and Zed is at 47.35% win rate
I don't even play any of them. The whine is just ALL OVER THE BOARD. It just really got on my nerves for no reason that people KEEP complaining about stuff that OTHERS do.
WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL WHINNING ABOUT CHAMPIONS THAT HAVE LESS THAN 50% WIN RATE?
Gafugarion3 votesBecause their kits are terrible for the health of the game and need reworked?
FHMarshy3 votesAnd how exactly so? Their kit APPARENTLY doesn't allow the players TO WIN. Unless you have another goal in mind other than winning, i can NOT see how your arguement stands
Raja Chachki2 votesLee:takes some practice to land Q, which is why the win rate is low, tons of Lee "freeloaders" think he's an easy win, and they fuck up. Zed:I actually have no idea why his win rate isn't higher, he's not hard to play.....Reasons their kit is unhealthy: Lee has 7 abilities, and a COMPLETELY undodgeable ult. Zed's ult allows him to be unreasonably safe while assassinating someone, he can just hop back if he messes, or once he secures the kill. This makes tower diving very easy for him, which ruins a player's game, as turrets are supposed to protect. Also, it makes him invulnerable for a bit, so he can easily dodge an ult about to hit him.
FHMarshy2 votesJust my opinion
Because people come on the board and see the NON STOP whining about them and tried to play the two for themselves just to realize that Zed and Lee both take skills to master.
I don't think Zed is that easy. His Q is rather dodge-able, his only mobility is his shadow which has a long cool down, and his ULt is easily countered by Zhonya's, Heal, Exhaust, Barrier etc
Lee can be a really big impact to the game, but it requires on point Q skill shot, great positioning while ganking, and awesome ward placement in order for him to do well.
I originally thought those people who cried about them played against them and lost badly, but sometimes when i go check their match history, they played against NONE. Im just fed up with people whinning ONLY BECAUSE others whined too.
Raja Chachki1 votesI guess that's a valid argument. And I agree, there are a ton of idiots who just follow the crowd, whining about what everyone else is crying about.
warpenguin5552 voteslee is balenced while Zed is annoying as all hell. Only the zed people can complain here because hes pretty annoying to fight while warding takes care of lee
FHMarshy3 votesMy point being people calling them OP but in reality, both have win rate lower than 50% meaning more than half of the matches they are in, they lose.
warpenguin5551 votesMy point being people calling them OP but in reality, both have win rate lower than 50% meaning more than half of the matches they are in, they lose.
ya ik just venting a little
mvargus2 votesI don't consider them OP. I do consider them "toxic" because of their reputations and kits.
Lee has become so identified with his ward hoping and big plays that you see him show up in games with an unexperienced player who things he can do all those tricks and he usually ruins it for his own side. It's frustrating to play with him on your team because his kit convinces players to showboat and solo more than work with the team.
Zed is identified with the ultra-safe assassin motif that is just not healthy for any game. In truth I agree with the people who point out that lategame other than splitpushing he isn't all that great, but in lane he's probably one of the safest champions to play and he still has very good waveclear. Personally, I've only run into a few Zeds and wasn't all that impressed with the champion. I find Ahri and Katarina are far more dangerous most of the time. Yet, because of his generalist package that allowed him to be a great splitpusher and a lane bully while not completely making him useless in team fights. He just was not really fun to have in games. (especially when you got someone who picked him due to his reputation and proceeded to get crushed.)
FHMarshy2 votesYa, TBH not a lot of people are complaining about Lee anymore EVEN THOUGH no changes was made to him. I think you have mistaken me on the Lee point. I agree with you that whoever takes him can very ruin the game for his own team rather than carry, but I constantly and i repeat CONSTANTLY see threads about "Nerfing Lee". I mean COME ON PEOPLE
mvargus1 votesI think its easier to say "nerf lee" than explain that what people want is for Lee's kit to be reworked to force him to specialize more. He's not the best at any one thing, but he's probably top 8 or so for everything a jungler might need to do, which puts him far ahead of most of the other junglers who have noticeable vulnerabilities. Add in the ridiculous ward hoping and you have a champion that people just hate to see. They post because they want to generate a change, and honestly it would have to include some reduction to an aspect of Lee's abilities.
My biggest complain anywhere would be that LoL should be the league of 123 played champions, but instead its the league of 20 or so champions everyone considers "meta" and 100 benchwarmers waiting for the next cycle of nerfs/buffs to put them back into the top tier for a while.
FHMarshy1 votesI definitely Agree with u
Aerothal2 voteswell, for me its not that zed is completely OP, its just that he has some abilities in his kit which are overbearing, especially on non mobile mana mages. It is not ok that zed can turretdive, apply all his damage, get the deathmark off and safely retreat out of turret range with not as much as a scratch. There should be some risk involved. Yes, its flashy play. Yes there is some skill involved, i dont deny that. But no summoner should have the power to do a move like that and be safe to do it without getting punished whatsoever. And his resource free wave clear is stupid. No mana champion can keep up with that. that's just bad design. there is no drawback.
FHMarshy1 votesPersonally I'd always ALWAYS build zhonya's on immobile mages when I am laning against Zed. The active literally cancels Zed's ult. Beside, more immobile champions have a few forms of CC (Xerath Stun, Lux bind, etc) so if he turret dives, it's rather easy to lock him in place for at least a few tower shot before he could retreat to safety.
Again, you can take heal into lane, which pretty much cancels out his damage during ult