To all you ADC out there, Don't blame your support if you go somewhere they can't follow :(

FHMarshy·Apr 10, 2015·50 votes·6,188 views

I was on smurf playing some ranked games. Got Last pick, happily took blitz to support an Ezreal.

And this happened:

I flash grabbed the enemy Cait. Her sona flashed in to ult both me and Ez. Ez killed sona and Cait flashed out and E away with about 100 health left on her. I was low from the fight.

My dear ADC Ezreal, decided to chase her into tower.

Ezreal FLASHED and E to get to Cait, who was under tower. Missed his Q AND W, decided to keep chasing.

And died without killing Cait. Then Cait Ult me who was already low from the fight, and got a double kill.

Ezreal then proceed to talk smack all game for not following him....

Little did he know that I really want to follow, but Blitz can't follow an Ez if he decided to flash and E :(

To all you ADC out there, Don't blame your support if you go somewhere they can't follow :(

60 Comments

NinjaToad99Apr 10, 201521 votes

I've had people run out of my range when playing Soraka and then yell at me for not healing them when they get bursted.

kureransuApr 10, 20158 votes

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I've had people run out of my range when playing Soraka and then yell at me for not healing them when they get bursted.

same when i play zilean....

Sirin GioroApr 10, 201510 votes

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I've had people run out of my range when playing Soraka and then yell at me for not healing them when they get bursted.

I've had people flash out of my lantern. LMFAO

PartholonianApr 11, 20151 votes

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I've had people run out of my range when playing Soraka and then yell at me for not healing them when they get bursted.

Ironically, Soraka is the one person who actually CAN heal people who run out of her range... at level 6+, at least.

PrimadonnaApr 11, 20153 votes

On a 120 second CD tho.

And sometimes, it's not worth it TBH. I play Soraka a lot and the only time I use my ult is when I KNOW it can turn a fight around or heal 3+ of my teammates.

ThatAutofillSuppApr 11, 20152 votes

ambulance passive not stronk enuf :U

usul1202Apr 10, 201512 votes

This is why sion support needs to be more of a thing. They're running? LOLNO ULT TIME!

Lore VentusApr 11, 20154 votes

COWARDS!!!! Sion *runs away summoner 6 *

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20152 votes

Ever. F'ing. TIME!

Soft Like FeltApr 10, 201510 votes

Playing Braum

My adc (Miss fortune) chases their Caitlyn into the Jungle after we kill her sona

I try my best to follow, but Braum is slow, he can only jump so far, and fortune has strut so she gets away fast

Their ADC wrecks her

BUT THAT WAS MY FAULT RIGHT?? I couldn't chase to the other side of the map

Some people have no respect for their loyal supports...

A Miss FortuneApr 11, 20153 votes

As an MF main I've noticed this a lot, especially when I get boots before my support. ADCs need to realize they're nothing without their supports. I've soloed bot lane as MF and still got crazy fed, but my jungler was a major cause of that. League is a team game and it's really annoying to have the arrogant, perfect, LCS material ADCs who do nothing wrong, blame the supports because they die 1v5 under the enemy tower.

rampaging poetApr 10, 20153 votes

I try not to do this, but I do get carried away sometimes. "Just one more auto!" turret shot dead

On a similar note, support mains should realize that just because their stun is off cooldown doesn't mean they should run to the edge of my auto-attack range to stun someone at the edge of their stun range beyond it. Most people are pretty good about it, but every now and then I run into hyper-aggressive supports that try to engage with absolutely nobody around to follow up - then blame me for not following through with their "plays."

That and Blitzcranks that grab enemy tanks when we don't have the damage to kill them. Ham Blitzcrank sees an easy target, but enemy Leona sees a free ride to the squishy ADC behind him.

FHMarshyApr 10, 20156 votes

There was ONE game is remember VERY DISTINCTIVELY way back in the days when I was a goldie on my main. We were winning.

We pushed off two of their inhibs, and were all low from the previous fight, in which we aced the enemy team.

Their amumu spawned, and for some reason that I still don't understand, our blitz thought it would be smart to grab the mumu to us. He grabbed the mummy, who ulted everyone on our team, and picked up a penta.....

We lost the game since our death timer was too long.

Soda PopkillskiApr 10, 20151 votes

From my experience it tends to be the ADC that has no damn idea how to engage. Fed Diana leaves mid, I warn him and ask for him to retreat. He does. When Diana comes he for some reasons starts engaging in a 1.5v3 (i was quite far away because I thought he wouldn't engage). And even when he runs to low health he still doesn't run even though the tower is 200 range away. That is only 1 of a ridiculous amount of examples.

rampaging poetApr 10, 20151 votes

Since I main ADC and tend to play more cautiously I haven't seen that much, but I can easily imagine it happening. I can also see why ADCs would tend to do that moreso than other roles except snowbally top laners. It's a role that needs lots of gold and does tons of damage, so it attracts players that want to just jump in and shoot stuff.

A Miss FortuneApr 11, 20152 votes

Though it's easy to just jump in and kill someone, if you have poor positioning, don't know when/how to engage properly, and don't have good champion knowledge you're probably going to fail. I think a lot of people who play ADC fail at it just because they want to jump in and shoot stuff like you said, though honestly even when you're 20/0 as Caitlyn right after you get a 2v5 pentakill with your support (which I did) you are so easy to kill just due to having nearly no defense if you make a mistake. I feel like positioning is one of the largest parts of the role and so I see a lot of lower level players fall off.

For example at about level 25 I played MF a lot but my average game went 0/7 and thought she was just a horrible ADC. Now with more experience I've gotten multiple pentas with her and carry 19/20 games I play with her.

Your point is really interesting about people just simply want to right click and gg ez the game, though it like every other role is a lot more complex than that.

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20153 votes

That and Blitzcranks that grab enemy tanks when we don't have the damage to kill them. Ham Blitzcrank sees an easy target, but enemy Leona sees a free ride to the squishy ADC behind him.

Leona "Thanks Blitz!" Amumu "It's nice actually having a decent support for our team." Galio "I agree. Couldn't do it without you buddy." Vayne z Z z .... Need more CS ... Z z Z ... My team is crap ... z Z z ... I'm Morello's gift to League ... Z z Z ...

< Blitzcrank "Wait, why am I helping you again?"

Leona Amumu Galio "Um..." {looks into enemy jungle}

Bard "Hur Hur hur. I'm Helping!" < Chogath "Hey Bard, I think there's another charm over here." Bard "Yaaay!" < Chogath {gulp}

Blitzcrank "Oh... Right. Sorry about that."

Vayne z Z z ... Why am I still Bronze 5? .... z Z z ... {Snore}

SecretAgentHulkApr 11, 20151 votes

Meanwhile in top lane...

Darius GANK ME I'M LOSING TO JAX THIS TEAM BLOWS

PartholonianApr 11, 20153 votes

This occasionally works the other way around too, when I play ADC I've seen supports flash under turret, die, and blame me for not going in with them. Why no, in fact, I don't think giving up 2 kills to maybe get one is better than chilling back here and CSing. And that will remain my opinion even if you rage at me for it.

Unless you're level 6+ with 100+ armor or an Ohmwrecker, you had better respect the turrets, and expect me to respect them too.

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20151 votes

While agree a majority of the time. If I'm 100% certain we can get the kill (and their support won't kill you afterwords), I'm willing to trade my death for theirs. Especially if they have any kind of kill streak. Since that denies them the lane longer and results in a net gain for us.

Of course, this only applies to maaaaabye 5% of games? (I'm being generous)

mvargusApr 11, 20153 votes

I've had so many ADC/Support relationship "issues" that I agree with those that label it an abusive relationship.

Heck, last night I played support 3 times and only one went very well from the start.

Game 1) I take Janna support, and end up with a Teemo as my "ADC." We faced a Jinx/Nautilus matchup. Teemo consistently misjudges Nautilus's range on his anchor and dies multiple times early as Jinx gets fed. We lose badly.

Game 2) I take Sona support with a Graves ADC. We faced an Ashe/Leona bot lane. Graves and I were on teamspeak together and ended up laughing at the situation as I went 10/2/28 and Graves went 28/6/14. The big issue was an Ashe who kept trying to trade after I had landed multiple Q attacks and a Leona who would use her Q to pull herself out of Ashe's auto-attack range and right next to both Graves and me. I have to admit it was a lot of fun for our side, but the other side's mid and top laner both got extremely "salty" about how their bot lane fed.

Game 3) I go Sona support again, but this time I'm stuck with another Teemo ADC. We faced a Caitlyn/Lulu combo. Teemo wasn't great, but he avoided dying. The bigger surprise was that the other team stayed in lane far too long. I just missed getting first blood when I noticed Caitlyn was down to less than 200 health so I flashed to her and hit Q (our midlaner died just before I got Caitlyn). I'd use that 2 more times, once only getting her to flash, and getting a second kill later. It was clearly a case of bad synergy for the other team. Once time Caitlyn returned to lane and Lulu immediately used her ult on Caitlyn. I responded by hitting my exhaust on Caitlyn and then Teemo and I proceeded to tear in Caitlyn right in range of our turret.

3 games, and in all 3 the bot lane was decided mostly on the synergy between the ADC and the Support. I've had other games recently that played out the same. One time I had a Sivir ADC who refused to trade and often retreated behind our turret after using her Q and W to partially clear a wave. We got bullied out of lane as I screamed at my computer screen cause there was little I could do to win the 1v2 poke-fest that was occurring.

I've come to the conclusion that ADC and Support are probably the two toughest positions because you have to be able to mesh with someone you've probably never played with before. My game 2 from last night is a wonderful example. the Graves I was playing with prefers to play top, but when he first started playing Graves I supported him through several games. We know how each other plays and when you add in the advantage of communication you get with teamspeak/Skype/curse voice, we can easily dominate a lane since we know what the other is going to do and why. It allows for more aggressive play without it being needlessly risky.

Not sure why I posted this, except to point out that there will always be communication issues with ADC/Support and its never going to be perfect. Especially in games where you don't enter with a preformed team.

SecretAgentHulkApr 11, 20151 votes

The games where, not even your ADC is a total derp, but just the ones where you don't synergize well—those suck. But they're worth it when you get matched with one who is completely in step with what you're doing. Those games are the absolute best.

warpenguin555Apr 10, 20152 votes

ya. i once had an adc flash over a wall while i was playing janna support and he dies to 3 people right away, well better flame janna

Spacesuit SpiffApr 10, 20152 votes

Just saw a Sivir constantly use her ult to get into melee range of Udyr/Cho. Ofc that was everyone else's fault somehow.

Really it's not even a problem with adcs, it's just idiots who don't know the game well enough to know that their team can't save them from bad decisions. Or idiots who just want to blame everyone else for those bad decisions.

rampaging poetApr 10, 20151 votes

Exactly. I've seen the same from aggressive supports, junglers jumping in 1v2 when my support and I were running with <10% HP, and top and mid-laners that try to tower-dive when their opponent has three levels on them from all their previous failed dives. There are people out there that think the point of the game is to get kills no matter how many times they die in exchange, and they'll play whatever role they think will get them there.

Heck, I saw a Teemo "support" in Teambuilder that built as a second carry and raged when he was asked to back off the minions - he'd only queued as support for the shorter queue times and had no intention of doing anything but killing people regardless of whether the team won or lost.

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20153 votes

Had an ADC complain once that I was always standing right behind them (I Was a tank support).

The fact they they had crap positioning and we were VS a Leona totally had nothing to do with it. :/

Laura ßApr 10, 20152 votes

Sometimes its quite the opposite. Its 100% harder to find a good support than a good adc I cross my fingers every game so I get a good support.

arcinexApr 11, 20153 votes

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Sometimes its quite the opposite. Its 100% harder to find a good support than a good adc I cross my fingers every game so I get a good support.

I think it's equally as bad. But if I had to choose it would often be the support who is bad. If you can't land skills shots do not play support at all. Blitzcrank Thresh Morgana Leona

The only reason I think it's equally is bad is because the ADC's i encounter don't seem to know how to utilize their support comp. Like I would play as blitzcrank, land a perfect 1-2 combo (grab+ knockup) and my adc is just minding his own business farming. It's the opposite when I play sustain/weak engage supports like Soraka or Janna. My adc will go all in and then blame me for dying.

Space BumApr 11, 20153 votes

This. My favorite support is Zyra but I hardly play her anymore. It's not that I lose often with her, I have a high win rate. It's that a lot of ADC's don't know how to syntergize with her. They go in thinking I have an endless list of things I can do to keep them alive. I end up carrying in their place which is why I like Zyra, it's just too painful to watch.

rampaging poetApr 11, 20153 votes

Knowing your support is definitely an important factor as ADC. I often do poorly the first few times I lane with a given support (especially off-meta supports I haven't seen much of before) because I don't really know what they're capable of.

I love laning with Zyra because she does so much damage and can lock down targets nicely. Her only "support" abilities are her snare and her ult, but she hurts so much and the need to respect her plants' damage helps her peel when things go sideways. That snare is also great for landing more skillshots - it makes for easy Piltover Peacemakers, Zaps, or other poke.

I also agree with the point about carrying instead of the ADC. I once laned with an awesome Zyra who kept accidently taking kills as their botlane fed us - she was something like 5/1/0 out of laning phase to my 0/1/4. I still got plenty of assist gold and time to free-farm, so loading the kill gold onto a high-damage support wasn't a problem. It just became her job to nuke champions and mine to provide sustained damage to objectives.

Space BumApr 11, 20153 votes

Kind of hard not to take a few kills when playing Zyra. You drop your combo and it's kind of out of your hands after that.

Champion SkinApr 11, 20151 votes

Well assists give almost as much gold as kills if you get on assists sprees (have X higher assists then kills) it can give as much as 70 bonus gold per assist which is quite a bit given that a kill with one assist usually gives 150 gold (can be more depending on death or killing sprees) My bad it is 60 gold (and it is when you have 4 more assists then kills)

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Assist

Jeddy017Apr 11, 20152 votes

Aw yes,Rule #2 of League - If you do something stupid,it's always someone else fault for not following you on your stupidity.It's totally not your fault for doing the stupid thing in the 1st place. Good old LOL community & it's magnificent set of rules.Where would we be without it?

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20154 votes

Ball park guess . . .

jkandevanApr 11, 20152 votes

instead of my adc chasing i chase them as blitz and get the kill on their fed adc and then I die to jungle and i get bitched at because i died shutting down their adc and dying.

arcinexApr 11, 20153 votes

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instead of my adc chasing i chase them as blitz and get the kill on their fed adc and then I die to jungle and i get bitched at because i died shutting down their adc and dying.

Some players don't understand gold distribution most importantly Shut Down gold.

Mitch SorensteinApr 11, 20152 votes

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Little did he know that I really want to follow, but Blitz can't follow an Ez if he decided to flash and E :(

I know that feel. Some people are hopeless.

CrettApr 11, 20152 votes

accidentally hit one minion and you'll never hear the end of it

UnpaladinApr 11, 20152 votes

This reminds me of a time where I played Garen and Blitzcrank pulled a Vayne out of the bush we were hiding in. Two other enemies in that bush including Blitzcrank. Vayne is ded. Not big surprise. After that, the Vayne got angry at me, and started absolutely berating me because I didn't pull off a miracle and save him. Sometimes, players just don't consider what other players bring to the table, and what they can pull off. Garen can't actually do anything in that situation even at full health, which is hilarious.

Players need to change.

Rogue RevenantApr 11, 20152 votes

People seem to take how mobile they are for granted period. Just because THEY can travel that far that fast doesn't mean the rest of the team can. I've lost plenty of games because of asshats like that.

"GG, team never engages when I do"

First of all: Who made you shot caller? Second: Just because YOU can flash forward 5 times to catch the enemy team doesn't mean we can keep up while your dumbass gets blown up.

Situational Awareness folks... it's a good thing.

Champion SkinApr 11, 20151 votes

It is like Malphite flashing forward and then ulting to max range Noobs no follow my engage when I get 5 man ult....

Yeah right because it is totally easy to follow up on that when malphite is suddenly like 1500 range away from where he was

godofruin2Apr 11, 20151 votes

as a bard support main i do everything right but it is still my fault

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20152 votes

To be fair. It' Bard's fault, not yours. Have you looked at his hidden passives?

[Herp derp]: "This character will occasionally misuse their abilities."

[Stubborn]: "The player of this character is unable to surrender for the duration of the game."

[Symbiotic]: The allies of this character have a 50% chance of loosing lane."

[Stacked odds]: "The enemy team has a 50% chance of winning the game. (54% if on Blue side)."

[misleading]: "Enemy team has a 50% chance of getting first blood."

[Wandering]: "This play and his allies will occasionally get caught out of position and be killed."

See? It's not your fault.

(Disclaimer: this is a joke.)

Yws6afrdf7bc789Apr 11, 20151 votes

Don't care as long as the poor innocent junglers like me don't get blamed.

Ariel the CruelApr 11, 20152 votes

I blame the Jungler. Only 12 ganks in 10 minutes. And he stole 4 of the kills!

Worst. Jungler. EVER!

SecretAgentHulkApr 11, 20151 votes

Right? Especially assassin junglers, those guys shouldn't be getting kills at all.

Ace Access Apr 11, 20151 votes

oh boy, thats gonna leave a mark on his pretty little head

I don't know a lot about how to play but I'm pretty sure you don't dive a turret unless your sure you can survive alive

Virgin RayApr 11, 20151 votes

Why didn't he use his ult? It's a freaking global ability. Plus even if his ult was on cooldown he shouldn't have gone in anyway.

Sona Top OnlyApr 11, 20151 votes

i wish people would realize that Sona 's heal cd ain't six seconds anymore. i can't spam it and heal the whole team like...c'mon now, i'm not Soraka .

SecretAgentHulkApr 11, 20151 votes

Related: I wish people would realize that Soraka gets 10 heals max without heal or pots and can't heal herself anymore either. I can't spam it with the theoretically infinite mana that chalice and CDR offer Sona after early-game.