Riot can you please not set new accounts at silver level in ranked.

YoungFarmer·May 2, 2015·7 votes·678 views

Its really hard to carry those 0/11 ashes with 28 farm at 20 min. who are just level 30 with 9 normal games wins, 2 ranked wins and 11 loses.

15 Comments

EleshakaiMay 2, 20152 votes

People are set with a starting point of 'average' as opposed to a starting point of 'terrible'. Makes sense to me.

Silent PaceMay 2, 20151 votes

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YoungFarmerMay 2, 20151 votes

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Hmmm....You do have a point. Being able to do ranked with 0 Normal wins is complete bs when you think about it. Maybe make a requirement of at least 200 Normal wins or something( would annoy smurfs but who cares ).

They need to do something or atleast warn people. my friends told me not to get placed until I was at least decent.

KwaaiMay 2, 20151 votes

How are people getting to level 30 without winning a normal game? It takes a lot of games to even be able to get ranked. Are people playing all of those against AI?

DedriusMay 2, 20151 votes

Can you elaborate on what you mean? I might be being dense but are you saying to not let them in ranked or to place them lower?

AerothalMay 2, 20154 votes

in season 2 bronze started at 1249 elo. before that you were unranked. now everyone from 0-800 is bronze 5 and silver starts at 1200.

talk about elo inflation and participation rewards...

YoungFarmerMay 2, 20152 votes

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Can you elaborate on what you mean? I might be being dense but are you saying to not let them in ranked or to place them lower?

just set their elo to bronze level not silver and let them climb

Lilith BotMay 2, 20151 votes

What's ranked

LankPantsMay 2, 20151 votes

2 ranked wins and 11 loses.

You have the same MMR as the people you're being matched with.

In this season you play with that person in mid bronze with 1000 MMR.

In S2 you played with the same person at unranked with 1000 Elo.

It doesn't actually change who you play with.

Even if MMR started at a different point you'd still get matched with the same guy at (start)-200 assuming you still had the same win rates

YoungFarmerMay 2, 20151 votes

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You have the same MMR as the people you're being matched with.

In this season you play with that person in mid bronze with 1000 MMR.

In S2 you played with the same person at unranked with 1000 Elo.

It doesn't actually change who you play with.

Even if MMR started at a different point you'd still get matched with the same guy at (start)-200 assuming you still had the same win rates

Yes she may have had the same MMR as me but she was on an insane decline down wards.

LankPantsMay 2, 20151 votes

Yes she may have had the same MMR as me but she was on an insane decline down wards.

The point was more that it doesn't matter where she started, if you're -200 MMR from the start point you'll get the same people, regardless of whether that point is Silver, Bronze or Wood.

YoungFarmerMay 2, 20151 votes

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The point was more that it doesn't matter where she started, if you're -200 MMR from the start point you'll get the same people, regardless of whether that point is Silver, Bronze or Wood.

My point is that new players are set at a Silver level MMR, and I think that they should be placed at a mid bronze MMR and climb from there

LankPantsMay 2, 20151 votes

My point is that new players are set at a Silver level MMR, and I think that they should be placed at a mid bronze MMR and climb from there

If new players were set at mid bronze you'd be low bronze 4 to mid bronze 5 right now dealing with all the same problems, I'd be mid-high silver instead of low gold. That's because we'd both be placed lower than we were under the current system.

The reason why entrance point is silver 5 is because it corresponds with a completely average player. The 50th percentile is around 50 points in silver 5, so starting players at silver 5 MMR makes the assumption they're average then sorts them further based on their play.

You could theoretically start players at mid bronze but it would lead to a huge skew in rankings with almost half of players being bronze (if you maintain the 50th percentile start) or you can lead to a system where placements become disproportionately important to maintain mid bronze as the 75th percentile.

You could also use a 'start from the bottom' approach, but that's incredibly unfair to newer players.

Matthias9119May 2, 20151 votes

Elo-like ranking systems require placing new players at or near the median skill level of the player base. Which is around low Silver. If someone has a VERY low MMR in normal SR play, they'll be placed lower, but most people start in Silver.

So, basically they would have to completely redo how Ranked works to do this. Also, if all new accounts started at a very low MMR, high-skill players or smurfs would beat up on bad players for a longer time before reaching their appropriate rating.