POLL: "I got toxic players in my game"

Arcade Andrew··1 votes·489 views

THIS IS NOT A RANT THREAD

This is a question, So I just played a game as jungle nunu, We won however chogath support and graves ADC for the first 10 ish minutes were being toxic tword me (I purposely did not speak in champ select or in game until I got a reaction for this social experiment)

I instalocked nunu jg via pick order even though last pick graves had called it

now proceed into game,

graves right off the bat is being very toxic (I expected this as I took his jungle wihout saying a word) but soon after despite just have had pushed both bot towers with them, I died my second death trying to kill the enemy reksai (via chasing) and I got a toxic response from both graves and cho,

NOW I didnt respond I instead muted them let the enemy know they might want to report them and then just focused and had fun and won

NOW THE QUESTION

Despite them being toxic at first, I had muted them and had no real proof they continued being toxic tword me because I muted them and nobody else complained

I still did the right thing and reported them

but heres my dilema

I know that me reporting them wont make a difference if nobody else reported them, but why would anyone report somebody on the winning team for being toxic to one player for a short ten or 20 minutes?

So the polls as follows

Should they still be reported and held accountable even if we won and they were the reason for the win?

yes or no?

or if they are toxic should it be excused as long as it is not directed at other players?

and also

What would you do? if you were me? if you were on my team? the enemy team?

would you report them or let it slide?

18 Comments

Ice Weasel X3 votes

{quoted}

NOW I didnt respond I instead muted them let the enemy know they might want to report them and then just focused and had fun and won

NOW THE QUESTION

Despite them being toxic at first, I had muted them and had no real proof they continued being toxic tword me because I muted them and nobody else complained

I still did the right thing and reported them

Never ask for reports. If a player doesn't personally witness toxicity, he shouldn't report anyone. Riot have stated that threatening others with reports or calling for others to report for you are considered offenses, which have contributed to people being banned. By engaging in this sort of thing, you are antagonizing. You are no longer a bystander, but a participant.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

The problem here is I dont actually know if they said it in all chat or not, (considering I muted them) Nobody on the enemy team said anything, so I assume they A: didnt or B: everyone else muted them

Ice Weasel X1 votes

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The problem here is I dont actually know if they said it in all chat or not, (considering I muted them) Nobody on the enemy team said anything, so I assume they A: didnt or B: everyone else muted them

This is exactly why you were wrong to suggest to the other team to report them.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

did you read the part where I said "I asked the enemy team to politely report them AND THEN MUTED THEM" I never asked at the end of the game

Ice Weasel X1 votes

{quoted}

did you read the part where I said "I asked the enemy team to politely report them AND THEN MUTED THEM" I never asked at the end of the game

Did you read the part where I said, "Never ask for reports. If a player doesn't personally witness toxicity, he shouldn't report anyone," or are you still trying to say you did the right thing?

Jubbinaut2 votes

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I know that me reporting them wont make a difference if nobody else reported them

This is actually false. The system builds cases based on the number of reported games rather than the number of reports per game. So it doesn't matter if a player was reported by 1 person or by all 9, it's still counted as a single reported game.

Should they still be reported and held accountable even if we won and they were the reason for the win?

And to answer this question: yes. Yes, they should.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

with trolls and toxic players in what seems like half the games, if you report them all, the system soon makes your reports count for nothing. it punishes you for reporting too much. it is far better to save your reports for extreme cases. that way your reports still have weight.

Jubbinaut1 votes

The report weighting system doesn't care about how often you report, only how accurately you report. If you run into a toxic player (troll or otherwise), and you report them, it will not negatively affect your report weight.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

really? I didn't know that. how does the system know?

Jubbinaut2 votes

Beyond the obvious - judged cases - I honestly don't know, though Lyte has said there's a lot of tech in there to handle it.

It's possible that some of those players may be so intermittent with their toxicity that they never get cases, despite your reports. And those may in fact reduce your report weight. But it wouldn't be enough (nor often enough) to have any real impact. It takes a lot of false reporting to tank report weight.

My guess is that the "never built a case" drops are incredibly tiny, while the "case was pardoned" drops are comparatively huge. I'll do a little more digging on it and edit this later.

EDIT: I can't seem to find much on the specifics of how it works, but I do have the old TBI's (RIP forums) Knowledge Base entry for Report Weight:

"What does 'report weight' mean?"

There is a separate system that analyzes the quality and accuracy of your reports. link

  • To give you brief glimpse into what one experiment is testing, first, we have to understand that the Reporting system is different than the Tribunal system. The Reporting system's sole job is to calculate a player's report accuracy, and a lot of fancy math has gone into the system to make sure that a report is only taken into account when it is accurate. So, if a player is a consistently negative player themselves, their reports might be worth less because the system may consider them a bad judge of others' behaviors. If a player troll reports and gets their 3 friends to troll report, the system will completely toss the reports out. All of the experiments that use reports benefit from the above system to make sure that players aren't able to just abuse someone with random reports.

This system has been around from the beginning of the Tribunal: link

  • The Tribunal does take into account the credibility of the people who file reports. If you are a positive player in League of Legends and only report when the offenses deserve it, your reports will actually be worth a lot more in the Tribunal than someone who abuses the reporting system and falsely reports lots of players.

The short version of this is that people who report responsibly count for more when triggering a case. Conversely, people who abuse the report system can have their report weight lowered to effectively zero, meaning that they cannot trigger cases. They might also be subject to other sanctions during one of Riot's periodic ban sweeps.

hh the thinker1 votes

if it wasn't in all chat, then the other team shouldn't report since they didn't see it, even if it happened. you should just report and not tell others to report as well.

if someone just says someone was toxic, then it shouldn't be believed unless it shows since it could be true or false and people have lied about others being toxic while they weren't before.

CaptainTatertits1 votes

{quoted}

THIS IS NOT A RANT THREAD

{ohh shit, here comes a rant thread.}

NOW THE QUESTION

{instead, 2 more paragraphs. wtf.}

but heres my dilema

{NOPE, still no poll! ok, I give up. I can't do this :o }

:)

CaptainTatertits1 votes

Seriously, though. Yes. BUT, as the rules state, if they come clean and apologize for ranting/raging, then it's not reportable (within reason, of course).

If you muted them all game didn't check at the end, then you can't really say that along with their improved gameplay there was not improved attitude and/or an apology for raging.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

The main issue here waas a social view on what the community would have done,

I know you should report them, but if it were you say on my team but not the one being targeted, would you have reported them?

Stephenizgod1 votes

I instalocked nunu jg via pick order even though last pick graves had called it

Well this wasnt very nice specially since you werent talking in champ select. I dont mind when someone takes my lane but id at least like to talk it over with them. If someone below me calls Top and i want it i ask them if they can play whatever is open if they say "Ye but not so well" or "No not really" then i let them have Top. You are not wrong in taking your lane but you should try talking to them even "Hey sorry man im going to Jg"

let the enemy know they might want to report them

and by this you mean you said /all "report this toxic bot lane plz thx"

I still did the right thing and reported them

uh no you didnt, you purposely instigated them for your "social experiment" by instalocking their role without talking to them just to see if they would be toxic and if reporting them for that would get them punished.

Either im reading this wrong or you are purposely trying to get people to be toxic... if im reading this wrong you need to work on your wording a bit.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

This was a social experiment on seeing what players think is ok in terms of being toxic, As it stands you think its ok for others to be toxic as long as I was "toxic" first?

I didnt do the right thing by reporting somebody who constantly used offensive language such as "are you a fucking mute?" (which would be offensive to people who can not speak would it not?) I didnt do it with the intent to make them toxic, I did it with the intent of seeing what would happen should I use pick order instalock my pick, and not say anything and then in game hopefully do well (which I did) However as I stated, they only focused on the negative not the positive such as the level2 drag or the two bot towers I helped them get

What I understand from this post is you think its ok for somebody to be toxic as long as somebody else pissed them off?

The social experiment was to see how players react when somebody doesnt talk and picks their lane (most players dont like talking, I rarely talk in champ select or games I just pick based on where I am and whats needed)

Stephenizgod1 votes

No you couldnt be more wrong, i do not agree with them being Toxic at all i even voted "yes"... What i do not agree with is doing something you know will make people toxic towards you so that they will be toxic to you and you can do your little experiment. Next time do not instigate it, if they are still toxic then you have your experiment. What you did was also toxic, not the locking in and not talking (which is a total d*ck move btw), but the intent behind it was toxic.

You are no better then them if you are purposely trying to make them toxic.

Oddysseas1 votes

What is toxic dude? What is it? People saying ' wtf?? ' after you turret dived to get one kill and died?, after you as a jungler tried to gank their lane with 40% hp and 2 lvls lower and got killed feeding their lane muchuo?. When you tried to solo dragon at lvl lvl 10, got killed and gave away free dragon?? Toxic when you died 3 times in 3 minutes? Toxic when you picked a stupid champion to jungle with and you get executed in the camps. Toxic when you picked a champion that gets countered by the enemy chamoion and despite your team warnings you said 'it's ok i will be fine. Toxic when you keep aiming for the tanks in every team fight while the adc keeps tearing your team apart... Toxic when everyone is asking for you to go mid and push together but you keep stalling in jungle camps, toxic when you keep split pushing getting killed everytime, feeding all those enemies who are currently behind? What is toxic? Telling people the truth, suggesting what they should build?, when jinx buys the item 3028 for her first item, are you toxic to tell her ' wth are you building?,

  1. When someone picks Janna to play adc in a ranked game it's toxic when you say somethibg about it? There are countless of occasions where people act stuoid and impulsive in the game, saying something about it doesn't make you toxic dude, maybe, i say maybe, you are tok sensitive....

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