Whats the difference between a ladder and Silver Elo

Tentakill Myself·Jan 17, 2016·88 votes·2,686 views

You don't need a bachelors degree in Children's Psychology to climb a ladder.

38 Comments

KenetinJan 17, 201622 votes

I thought the difference is that one is climbable and one is not.

KaisadiIIaJan 17, 201614 votes

Not really. Silver is like a climbing a burning ladder while listening to Justin Bieber while being blind and with oiled hands.

It's quite quite hard but with [a lot of] willpower you can do it.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 17, 201611 votes

Even if you reach the top by dealing with all the bullshit, you lose most of yourself along the way...

HighH1Jan 17, 20167 votes

and then there's gold which is like being locked in a room full of food and luxuries but they're all on fire and will give you a different disease. See it looks good on the surface and you feel you're in a great spot and the burning piles of shit(silver and Bronze) are done. Nope it's still shit

KaisadiIIaJan 17, 20169 votes

And surrounded by a lot of people claiming that they can easily go out of the locked room, but they don't want to this game.

Everybody is a plat smurf.

Jhin UItd JFKJan 17, 201619 votes

inb4 high elo ego-maniac comes in and says something like "Itz ur owan fawlt ur in silvir scr00b"

Vistha KaiJan 17, 201619 votes

It would be my privilege to inform thee, for it is thy own doing thou art restricted to the Silver rating, gentlemen.

DecritJan 17, 20166 votes

Thou shalt improve you potato mechanics, as your father did and the father of your father.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 17, 20164 votes

But sire, mine father twas but a potato himself! Thus, so as I shalt never grasp Gold's glitter, so shan't any other. For I shalt devote myself to the potato'ing of all games of mine Silver brethren -- preferably as their ADC. Vayne

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20162 votes

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'Twould be my privilege to inform thee, for 'tis by thine own hand thou art restricted to the ranking of Argent, gentlemen.

I have done thee a great favour by rectifying thy spellings and choice of words. (Fix'd That For Thee)

Vistha KaiJan 18, 20161 votes

You'd expect that after playing Dragon Age Origins for so long I'd remember about "'twas", "'tis" and the like.

Now all that is left for me is to commit sudoku.

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20161 votes

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Vistha KaiJan 18, 20161 votes

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Robbit MangJan 17, 20161 votes

well i mean, if i can get to gold 3 in 8 months of even playing the game it probably is their fault

LOL SpammerJan 17, 201614 votes

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OyddAWqJ5rJan 17, 20163 votes

Well, the joke is at least plat level or higher, it makes sense it'd go over a gold's head.

LOL SpammerJan 17, 20167 votes

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OyddAWqJ5rJan 17, 20163 votes

Wait... Since when was the joke Master-tier?!

BanoffeeJan 17, 20166 votes

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Wait... Since when was the joke Master-tier?!

This joke... has ALWAYS been master tier. http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54828494.jpg

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20161 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/HVZYTlVgE908o/giphy.gif EDIT: With this terrible downsize, I think a lot of people will miss my joke.

BanoffeeJan 19, 20161 votes

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https://media.giphy.com/media/HVZYTlVgE908o/giphy.gif EDIT: With this terrible downsize, I think a lot of people will miss my joke.

We can just click on it... and it is win. XD

OyddAWqJ5rJan 17, 20164 votes

Well, actually there's no shaming needed as this Silver actually understands his predicament -- that Silver is not a test of skill but rather a test of your ability to manipulate the child-like minds of your allies and enemies. Basically Silver is made up of people who are moderately skilled -- enough to the point where they can actually use their champion's abilities. However, anything requiring thought outside of "press all my buttons" is completely alien to 90% of them. The 10% of potential Golds or higher are the chosen ones who must lead these thoughtless creatures into something resembling a team effort. "That", "or" -- or more preferably "and" provoke the child-like minds of his enemies into caving in on themselves.

True Silvers are the ones unable to do the above or even contribute to the childishness, thus, proving their appropriate placing in Silver.

Granted sufficient skill of a Plat/Diamond level will allow you to disregard the above to some extent.

Oh by the way I highly suggest the OP utilize this, it's how you win games in Silver.

Spacesuit SpiffJan 17, 20161 votes

Couldnt agree more. With the right gameplan a diamond player can just waltz through, but someone who is gold or so will still have to deal with the struggle even though they should by all rights win most games.

Sadly, climbing when youre only a little stronger than your rank is still a grind, and it can be hard to learn to be a lot stronger than your current rank. First climb is a struggle.

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20161 votes

Honestly, by definition, you are placed where you belong. If you haven't earned your way to a higher tier and more or less stayed there in the past, you aren't better than your current tier. If you haven't already improved beyond a tier, you don't 'belong' in a higher tier by virtue of still needing practice to earn the higher tier in the first place.

Contrast the player who already is diamond, and by definition, has the skill to get back, and remain, in diamond.

Spacesuit SpiffJan 18, 20162 votes

You can have someone who would peak one division higher than where they are currently, and a 65% winrate in their current division. That would be quite a grind even though theyre doing very well against their current opponents each game. (Id avoid this grind by learning stuff in norms first, but ive done it several times)

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20162 votes

Fair point!

As far as I can tell, + - 1-2 divisions is reasonable. The threshold between tiers seems about equivalent to jumping 2 divisions. So it's reasonable to say that you are worthy of plat 5 (but not plat 4) if you are already gold 1 and tend to linger near the top of that tier. It's also reasonable to say if you're maybe silver 3, that you could hold your own in silver 1's lower end. Unfortunately, with a rule like this, most people are biased to think they are 2 tiers better all the time. In reality, most people (standard deviations imply about 90% of people) will be within 1 tier of their proper ranking; 45% will belong lower, 45% will belong higher. Even people who understand this will often be biased to think they are in the upper 45% of that value.

And therein lies the flaw; people are generally biased to think they are better than they actually are. It's so much simpler to rely on the concrete facts and not try to brag; enjoy the games, share your knowledge, discuss your theories, and listen to other opinions. If you can understand and evaluate those opinions you learn, you're one step ahead of the average person.

That's really all I'm trying to get across.

Spacesuit SpiffJan 18, 20162 votes

Well put. Id be fascinated to see some in-depth statistics on this, what standard deviation of your peak you end up within after so many games etc. Cant say im surprised this doesnt get much attention though, hellishly hard to work out because people either may or may not improve during the grind.

RandomoniumJan 17, 201612 votes

As the child of two psychologists I endorse this message. I can't tell you how many games I've won through simple psychological concepts like positive reinforcement.

SerevasJan 17, 20165 votes

That's how I win most of my games ironically. Constant positive reinforcement paired with overwhelming positivity when shit goes wrong to repair their damaged egos.

KaisadiIIaJan 17, 20169 votes

You just have to think that your opponents aren't people, so you can't argue with them; but they aren't rocks so they can't freely insult them either.

They are tamagotchi: clean their asses and they will grow properly.

SerevasJan 17, 20161 votes

LOL

That's actually pretty damned true.

MrBuffingtonJan 17, 20166 votes

a simple "nj" after your top laner gets a solo kill goes a long way

UtilityPunkJan 18, 20161 votes

People shut down and get very reactive with negative stimuli. Positive stimuli makes the whole team comfortable, and not nearly as likely to play aggressively; they feel like there's nothing to worry about. I bring a positive demeanor to most of my games, and in my win rate, it appears to pay off. That said, correlation doesn't imply causation, so it could simply be that I luck out and consistently get better teams than my opponents.