When I see a Veigar QQ thread after he had been considered trash

Glory to God·Oct 25, 2015·88 votes·4,529 views

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Shroom JunkieOct 25, 201542 votes

One shots people but not played much

underpowered needs buffs stupid veigar nerfs didnt need them pls rito

One shots people and played in LCS

WTF SO OP NERF VEGIAR PLS RITO

killd0zerOct 25, 20152 votes

One shots people but not played because he can't realistically ever hit them

underpowered needs buffs please don't ruin my ranked game

One shots the top 99.999% players in the world consistently with 0 counterplay

Please nerf so he can stop ruining my ranked games.

BemaponOct 25, 201529 votes

he can't realistically ever hit them

His ult is targeted.

I hate when I miss targeted abilities.

EarthpineOct 25, 20154 votes

I legitimately saw a Veigar miss his ult. He was targeting the low hp adc and then he hit me instead. No joke, it happened. We shortly won the game after that.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 25, 20151 votes

Technically he still hit it, just on the wrong person.

EverspaceOct 26, 20152 votes

There's a few abilities that can pop projectiles, so it's not unheard of outside of that context.

ChaosThiefOct 26, 20152 votes

Man I miss all the Garen and Darius ults, teach me your ways!

killd0zerOct 26, 20151 votes

I love getting fed by just spamming my ult :))))

kaltenashesOct 25, 20151 votes

Sooo what about the fact that he gets up to 5 ap everytime he kills using his q and the ult has a 250 / 375 / 500 (+ 100% AP) + (80% enemy AP)

ChaoticPineconeOct 25, 20151 votes

Actually, the hangtime on his W being reduced is a massive buff to Veigar. Prior, he wouldnt be able to guarantee his W to hit under 4 levels in his E (target with Mercs). Now he only needs 2 points in his E. Remember that his W does 180 less damage than his Ult to non-ap targets in AoE (from levels 14-16, his W only does 50 less damage than his ult).

Merkel x TsiprasOct 27, 20151 votes

GO check how many buffs veigar got after his rework then compare this veigar with the old one and you will see that the new veigar is way stronger in terms of stacking AP and hitting his W

So yeah its not the lcs thing is that riot buff veigar 9 times in the row....

THAT MANY BUFFS WOULD MAKE ANY CHAMPION BROKEN

Shroom JunkieOct 27, 20151 votes

Veigar was complained about being UP before the last buff. He was complained about being UP after the buff. He was complained about being OP after being played in World's.

Even if they did start complaining right after the buff(which I remember seeing 2 threads saying it wasn't enough before he was played in World's and called OP), it was the single buff in which his W launch time was decreased when they started complaining. One tiny little thing and suddenly he's the best mid laner, top-tier nobody's better. WTF?

Merkel x TsiprasOct 27, 20151 votes

"tiny" buff? you can now hit a skill that have 100% AP ratio and huge base damage way easier...yeah man "tiny" you know what would be tiny too? to make nunu ulti charge for only 2 seconds and nunu to be immune to cc "its tiny i mean just for one skill"

Plus people complain about veigar since he got his 5 AP extra for every ASSIST and kill plus the buff on his W

But the veigar "mains" was downvote every post but when veigar see play in worlds and when 1million people see how broken he is at live game the veigar mains couldnt downvote the posts any more because people was having enough and the upvotes was more than the downvotes of veigar mains!!

Because before worlds they all like "Omg you guys are noobs you cant dodge 3 skill shots" but when 2 proffesional teams show us that its no hard to dominate with veigar even vs pro this excuse was over!

Because a "skill shot" that have the range of a half the lane and a W that hit way faster and its almost the size of box and Q that have better width and better speed (new buffs to veigar after rework) its not hard to hit!

YorukinOct 25, 201522 votes

Sad thing is, people are complaining about things he's always done, with the majority of the hate going to the one thing that got nerfed the hardest: his stun.

Sound Garen familiar?

For CarthageOct 25, 20155 votes

I never thought he was weak. Always hated the fact his stun is 2.5 seconds long. Always. Forever.

He's the original Ekko, just without the ability to go tank.

JariOct 26, 20152 votes

Many people stated that his stun getting a .75 second delay was going to make unplayable until they reverted it.

Well look what happened?

For CarthageOct 26, 20152 votes

Everybody had their heads up their asses and couldn't figure out that the original intent of it was area control and trapping of champs for his W instead of a clipping device?

Well now come on. The community isn't thaaaaaaaaaaaaat deeeeeeeeeense...

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JariOct 26, 20151 votes

Actually people did understand that. Problem was that his W was actually still avoidable in the cage and Veigar was so squishy that if the champ had range then it did nothing. The .25 seconds on his W however actually do matter, and the passive AP from Q buff makes it so that he can Q for more reliable safe damage if they feel better with that than just walking in range to ult them.

Laughing FishOct 25, 201522 votes

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Glory to GodOct 25, 201519 votes

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YCitizenSnipsYOct 25, 20156 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Middle

Well he is the most picked mid laner and highest performing so thats probably why QQ is happening. You make it sound like this is the same veiger right after his event horizon change that had a 40% win rate.

Glory to GodOct 25, 20156 votes

His win rate has always been the same, and everybody said that, after his 'nerfs', he became trash. Now I'm seeing QQ threads.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 25, 20157 votes

No...it hasn't. When people were calling him trash he had one of the worst win rates in the game, this was right after he was changed. Now he has a decent win rate and is the most picked mid in the game. He's being called strong because he is, the link i provided is proof of this.

You just want to pretend he is still the old veigar and down play how strong he is right now. The QQ is justified.

Glory to GodOct 25, 20153 votes

Outside of the recent change which didn't do too much, he didn't get anything considerable in the last patches. There were whole pages of threads which were all about how weak he is. How he gets stack on q on assist too. Big deal? Probably for Support Veigars. But recently he got his popularity increased by (guess what) Worlds/LCS. Now people actually see what that champion can do,

YCitizenSnipsYOct 25, 20155 votes

Veigars play rate and winrate started to skyrocket on 5.18, the same patch worlds is being played on. Difference 5.18 was 3 patches ago for us, which would be about 6 weeks ago, well before worlds started. He is being picked in worlds because he strong but make no mistake he was already being played by the time of the tournaments start.

Once again you can try to down play how strong veiger is by comparing him to his previous state months ago but the QQ isn't from nowhere and numbers don't lie he is strong and the QQ is justified.

Glory to GodOct 25, 20153 votes

{quoted} he is strong and the QQ is justified.

I'm not saying that he is not. I'm just pointing out the fact that no one said anything until his appearance on competitive scene.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 25, 20155 votes

Not sure where you have been the past month but there have been plenty of threads about veigar since before worlds started, he's been the strongest mid in the game for about 3 patches now, which like i said is about 6 weeks and well before worlds even started.

manbearswineOct 26, 20152 votes

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I'm not saying that he is not. I'm just pointing out the fact that no one said anything until his appearance on competitive scene.

same as YCitizenSnipsY has stated,he became a focus of complaints about a week into 5.18,competitive play has little to do with how strong he is currently perceived,and most of it is in fact based off his solo q performance in 5.18.

This entire thread is a pile of crap,now that his w works properly people are complaining about how strong his other 3 skills are when his 4th works in a sensible way,if we were to buff poppy early game,people won't complain about how strong her early is,but about her ult and passive,AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

4th3t0sOct 25, 20154 votes

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His win rate has always been the same, and everybody said that, after his 'nerfs', he became trash. Now I'm seeing QQ threads.

He's countered by smart itemization and good positioning, 2 factors that are largely ignored by most of the community. Same deal applies to Riven. He's one of those few champs that you can't flowchart the same build against every game expecting an easy win.

Cyrex WingbladeOct 25, 20156 votes

When I first joined Riven was considered trash. Now she's the poster-child for OP. I don't Fing care what people post here anymore as a result.

Photos of GhostsOct 25, 20151 votes

Fact is, she's still trash. She's just annoying to lane againt to the point of deserving nerfs.

JariOct 26, 20153 votes

Trash

Deserves nerfs

Pick one. If she's trash you should have little problems.

Remlap1223Oct 25, 20151 votes

Was this back when she was a lane bully?

Cyrex WingbladeOct 25, 20151 votes

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Was this back when she was a lane bully?

Back when she was considered "top lane, but you'd do better with just about anyone else in that role".

That was a thread topic back then.

I still joined LoL /in order to play Riven/ anyway, because I really dug her character concept.

Now I get yelled at just for playing her. In bots. IN BOTS.

Zair UmbrasOct 25, 20151 votes

I'd yell at you for playing her in bots too. GET YOUR SNOWBALL CHAMPION OUT OF MY BOTS MATCH, I'M TRYING TO PRACTICE SOMETHIN' DAMMIT.

Cyrex WingbladeOct 25, 20151 votes

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I'd yell at you for playing her in bots too. GET YOUR SNOWBALL CHAMPION OUT OF MY BOTS MATCH, I'M TRYING TO PRACTICE SOMETHIN' DAMMIT.

Just. Like. That.

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Zair UmbrasOct 25, 20151 votes

Exactly like that, though I'd probably be saying it in my head since if I said it in the chat, I'd get banned for weeks for being verbally abusive.

AnidanOct 26, 20151 votes

Every time I get a Riven in co-op games they spam laugh and buy Sword of the Occult, purposely trying to steal everyone's kills with their snowball champ.

There's a reason I don't like seeing Riven in my bot games.

WutsKrakenOct 26, 20153 votes

When reworked: "OMG VEIGAR SUCKS HE DOES LESS DAMAGE AND YOU HAVE TO BE DIRT69 TO GET HIT BY THAT THING

Now: "OMG VEIGAR SO OP HIS STUN IS COMPLETELY UNAVOIDABLE AND HIS DAMAGE IS RIDICULOUS

It's just like Tahm Kench and Urgot. Instant they appear in pro play, the QQ insues

SgtCrispyOct 26, 20153 votes

He got pretty massively buffed. It was before the buffs where he was trash.

KatCraftOct 25, 20152 votes

The problem comes down to he just has extremely unhealthy design. I'm ready for the down votes but it really would be better for the game if his kit was entirely reworked Sion style.

AnidanOct 26, 20151 votes

I'd just be happy if they did something about his ult countering the ever-loving fuck out of AP mids for no reason at all.

"He has it for when he's behind so he's not completely useless!" So why doesn't anyone else seem to have those same kinds of shenanigans? Should Brand get that kind of treatment on one of his skills? I mean, he's also a burst mage that can feel like he's doing little if he's behind. What about Anivia? Or Twisted Fate, who feels like he does next to no damage at all when he's behind?

Why does Veigar get to have that special treatment but no one else? That argument doesn't fly very far when you actually start to look at it, and that's the primary one I see for keeping the enemy AP ratio on his ult, and frankly that enemy AP ratio is some invisible power bullshit. Plus he kinda has that whole... AoE trapping area control stun... He literally can't be useless unless his whole damn team or strategy is failing. He doesn't need that enemy AP ratio to be relevant when behind.

RikariOct 25, 20152 votes

Did someone forget the part where he got buffed after the nerf?

Zair UmbrasOct 25, 20152 votes

Well, see... Just like when Cass got reworked, there was non-stop QQ about how trash she was, then she had a reliability buff on her Q. Veigar got a reliability buff on his W recently, which has made it to where if your enemy is stupid enough to not buy merc treads, you can put two levels into your E, then max your W 2nd rather than 3rd since it had a 1.2 before it dropped AFTER a .25s cast time. Since you'll never match your E and W perfectly or almost never, you usually casted W about a quarter of a second to half a second after they hit the wall, which meant you had a 1.45s wait before your W dropped with your E only stunning for 1.5s base, but since you went .25-.5s after the stun started, your enemy had .25-.5s long to E away. That's pre-Merc Treads. Post-Merc Treads, the stun total was .975, so you sorta had to level to E 2nd just to have a chance at getting your W to hit, buuuut with a quarter of a second off the drop time since the 1.2s timer starts when casted rather than after the .25s cast time.

He's always had a strong hit, he just lost a lot of reliability on his E and Q when he was give the minor rework on his Q and E, plus his R had been nerfed the same patch. The AP off assists is also nice and equates to about 30-40 extra AP, which is about 30-40 Q farm.

It's still hilarious though to watch people QQ about how OP he is now off the tiniest little buff like .25s off his W. What's worse is they're complaining he one shots with his R when he's always done that... It's like, why would you complain how weak he is before, then claim he's OP for doing the exact same thing he did before when you called him weak? Silly mid lane noobs.

A LiberalOct 26, 20152 votes

I really don't get the qq about him.

4 months ago: OMG YOU KILLED VEIGAR YOU CAN ONLY GET STUNNED NOW IF YOU'RE BRONZE 12 OR YOUR COMPUTER CRASHES COMPENSATION BUFFS HUEHUHEHUEHUE

Now: OMG HIS STUN LITERALLY SUCKS ME INTO IT AND HIS ULT IS ON A 2 SECOND COOLDOWN AND WILL INSTANTLY DEAL 100% MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE PLZ NERF RITO

Like... you can still dodge the stun. You can still dodge the e. You can still hourglass the ult.

Personally I find the best thing to do if I am facing a veigar in lane is to either get Tear or Athene's as my mana regen item (Assuming I need it), and than rush an hourglass, starting with arm guard. This way you still don't have much AP built up, and the AP you do have is mostly moot due to the MR on Athene.

If I am playing a mobile champion such as Katarina or Nidalee , than he is basically useless outside of the ult because I can dodge the stun. Playing immobile mages such as Anivia or Lux is harder, but an early set of boots can allow you to literally just walk away from his abilities.

Personally, Nidalee is my favorite champion to counter veigar because she can poke him from a distance, easily dodge all his skillshots, and effortlessly all in him. My other personal favorites against veigar are: Galio Morgana Annie and Lissandra

PeachsPropertyOct 26, 20152 votes

banshee if you wanna whine about R having no counterplay...

He is one of the squishiest champs w/o any escape

wanna whine about his cage? start taking summoner 1 instead of summoner 4 or buy a QSS.

He has always been powerful those who played him knew this. but in no way is he "op" his Q is a skillshot and his w has a delay.

Doctor DymentOct 26, 20152 votes

Please please please PLEASE DO NOT EVEN BRING THESE FUCKERS UP. Just thinking about these bastards... ripping into Veigar after what Riot decided to do to him... makes my BLOOD BOIL. I hate these people so much that I can't even believe it. You are telling me, there are people with the audacity to call him overpowered after all that has been done to him? Are you. FUCKING. Serious?

McprowlingtonOct 26, 20152 votes

Please stop acting like the same people crying after his rework are the same people crying that he's currently too OP.

Please stop acting like he hasn't been buffed three times since, and as though his current power level has nothing to do with that.

Just stop circle-jerking and get all of that self-righteous shit out of here.

DehornOct 26, 20151 votes

veigar won 3 games during worlds, 2 of which he did nothing and got carried. but because veigar isnt your standard mid that has been dominating LCS for the past year, everyone's head exploded.