I fear the day Sejuani returns as a FotM.
I just want to ride a giant poro. Is that too much to ask?
Dude, that was the worst. Sej was my secret OP back then and after cinderhulk come out, I slowly watched in pain everyday when her ban rate went up by 8% everyday.
Man, that pissed me off so much sej was in a really good spot before cinderhulk just underplayed. Then cinderhulk came out and they destroy her and then the item that broke her gets balanced and sej is left to rot.
"they destroyed her" haha these forums are really something.
Sej was a damage oriented cc tank. She was squishier then other cc tanks, but was backed up with a surprising amount of damage. You destroy her damage and all she has left is her cc. And suffice to say, a squishy melee cc character doesn't really work especially when there are picks that do lockdown just as good if not better who are either tankier or more damaging.
They didn't destroy her damage. Just because it got nerfed doesn't mean it's shit now. Also she's not damage oriented, she's AoE CC and lockdown oriented. Take it from someone who played her even before the new jungle enchantments. You probably didn't even play her correctly once if you spout such circlejerk bullshit.
*Reads first three and half sentences*
Yeah gotta upvote
*Finishes reading last sentence*
aaaaaand nevermind.
Upvote or not, doesn't make it any less true that Sejuani being shit is a rumor that the people of these boards spreaded somehow. Cinderhulk is also far away from being bad, which is another main argument people bring who want Sejuanis nerfs to be reverted. It's actually the best item for every jungler who can take it. Even bruisers like Vi and Jarvan shouldn't take Warrior but Cleaver + Cinderhulk. If Sejuani is shit then Amumu must also be shit, he's practically Sejuani with better early clears but worse damage and post-6 ganks. So yeah. But i never see complaints about him being too weak, more like the opposite.
Yeah, I'm with you. People flip out and start singing eulogies every time a champ is reworked/nerfed. I haven't seen Sej have any issues with damage, sustain, or presence. It was a bit rough at the beginning of s6, but the slight talisman buff was all that was needed.
In fact, Sej, with max cdr is probably the best peeler in the game. People say Leo's better? Try to peel EVERYONE on the other team as Leo. Only champ I know that come close to Sej's ability to pull that off is Alistar. Sej with spam cdr can disrupt an entire team for 20 seconds straight, and fill frontline duty solo just fine. Yes, she lacks the innate defenses of true tanks, but she makes up for it with greater interrupt capabilities and mobility.
A hard tank-busting comp focus will end her quickly, sure. But a team takes great risks when they start bearing down on a sej together with her ult still up.
Malphite and 'Mumu ults seem better? See if they can follow there's up by cutting the entire opposing team's move speed down by 2/3ds for 2 seconds, and then follow that up with the same aoe slow a couple seconds after. Add in Randuin's and you can pretty much torment the entire team indefinitely, hence why I say Sej is one of the greatest full-team peelers.
But if we're gonna sing her death knoll ANYWAY, let's at least check her win rates first:
http://champion.gg/statistics/
Oh look, 51%. SHE'S FINE. And this is why Riot doesn't give a crap how players' feel. Riot honestly shouldn't. Abandon reason, all ye who enter this community. It will not be reciprocated.
People just cry she is "garbage" because she isn't a pick and win champion anymore but a balanced champion. Every champion has strengths and weaknesses just like all of them have ass holes lol
With two nerfs they cut the damage of her W on-hit in half. Yes, her AoE DOT portion remained the same, but that doesn't always make much of a difference because of how easy it is to get away from her. So her front-loaded damage was hit hard.
She isn't AoE CC and lockdown oriented, if you are going off her ult as the basis for that statement that is bullshit. Without her ult her cc is a single target knockup and a situational slow. With the slow you have to tag them with a AA or Ability to get a proc and then pop her e. While the slow is strong it only lasts 1.5 secs and you can't apply Frost for 3 seconds after PermaFrost ends. You then need to still be in range of them to apply another frost stack and wait for Permafrost to come off of cooldown to pop it again.
So i will retract my earlier statement it was far harsher then it needed to be, but after double checking i still stand by the fact that sej is in limbo at the moment. There are so many champions that do her job so much better than her and most games end before she can even get rolling.
Never read so much bullshit in one post.
First off stop putting words and thoughts that i didn't say in my mouth.
The only champs that sej can stick to easily are the immobile ones or the stupid mobile ones that don't know how to time their dashes, etc.
Her Q is single target, unless the champs are practically standing next to each other For context taken straight from the wiki. Arctic Assault's charge stops after colliding with an enemy champion, but can affect multiple enemy champions if they are close enough together. Arctic Assault does not have an area of affect while colliding with an enemy champion; however, if multiple champions are hit by the charge itself, you may deal damage to multiple enemies.
what? also learn how to count.
No, at 6 she can set up her team for skirmish victories with her ult, cinderhulk while helpful isn't going to do much by itself. She is a late game teamfight oriented champion, and last i checked level 6 is not late game.
I am not excluding her ult, I was saying that using her ult as the basis of your argument for her being and AoE CC Lockdown champ is pretty stupid when it is her only lockdown. 1 ability that is on a 130/115/100 sec cooldown doesn't not make a champion a AoE CC lockdown champ. Also it only lasts 1.25/1.5/1.75 secs. Yes it can affect the whole team at range, but it doesn't constitute her being a lockdown champ see as after it ends thats it for her lockdown. Also Amumu and Maplh are both still strong without their ults, its just their most iconic feature. Warwick on the other hand is in a bad spot so thats not really a fair comparison since most of the time he only ends up being his ult and nothing more.
Where did i say anything about Cinderhulk being bad? I actually said that they finally balanced the item itself after they nerfed sej.
I am not bashing Riot and i have never bashed them. I am not fishing for upvotes, i was just stating my opinion. You are the one who came in here on you high horse and started attacking me.
I will admit my first posts had some generalizations in them, but i was tired and didn't bother to check my facts. Which i have been doing since.
I played sej before her rework, I played sej after her rework, I play sej still, and i will continue to play sej because i like her as a champion. So don't tell me i don't even play her.
To clarify what you just said:
I didn't say that!
Yes I did say that, and I'M STICKING BY IT.
If they're not in aoe range, they don't take aoe effects, so it's not an aoe.
What? Actual stats? What? Also **** YOU NUMBER TYPOS.
She's lategame, so the fact that she has utility early game makes her worse. Also, she doesn't work when she only uses one ability. Clearly a deficiency.
One total lockdown ability is not enough. Unlike 'Mumu and Malph who are better with... one lockdown abililty.
I never said that. I just said other things that are wrong.
Other than bashing Riot's balancing, which is the only topic of my last post, I am not bashing Riot.
And I take offense at you giving your opinion, since it contradicts my opinion, and people have a right to an opinion.
I play Sej, etc.
You are correct that people making accusations like "you don't even play Sej" off the cuff based on nothing is a) dumb, b) flame-bait and c) nothing more, but other than that, everything else you said is just...
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I am sorry if that first sentence came off whiny, but i had a bad experience on the boards where that was an issue. I and several other people proved him wrong with factual evidence and he just ignored it and attacked us on fabricated statements about us and unimportant things.
I am talking from experience, lots of mobile champs can easily escape from sej especially if they are smart with their ability use. Did i make mistakes, probably, but its still possible. I even explained how. Her slow only last 1.5 secs and for 3 seconds after it ends targets affected by permafrost can't have frost applied. Yeah, it is kinda timing reliant and most people don't think like that, but you would be surprised how often they pull it off.
The AoE portion of her q is so small it might as well be nonexistent. As i said they have to be standing next to each other for it to work and they only take the damage.
I was referring to the Leblanc comment, but i guess i should have clarified that.
Not what i said, yes she has utility early game, but she is weak and can be punished hard and be useless until she recovers. Which is not a good thing with shorter games. I know this from experience, trying to gank for you team or help them, they fuck you over and then you end up behind and can't do shit expect throw out an ult occasionally and follow it up with a slow.
I did not say they were better. You want a lockdown champ,
. When they lock someone down they aren't going anywhere for at least 3 seconds and have lockdown that isn't tied to their ults.
Just to acknowledge that i read this one. I don't really know how to respond to it.
How is stating that i don't agree with the sej nerfs bashing? I didn't make any attacks on the company nor did i intend to even imply such a thought. I don't have any issue with Riot, i might not agree with everything they do, but i don't attack them for any reason.
Yeah, it probably seemed like i took offense to his opinion, but i was only defending my opinion. I actually took offense to his tone and how he presented his. If it been presented civilly, i would have been more civil in my posts.
I actually enjoy debating things with people if it is done civilly. I learn more and sometimes i even change my thoughts on things because of a well presented argument. I find it invigorating.
I feel like shes just a less tanky, easier to peel off version of Leona. Atleast Sej does a little bit more damage late game. A LITTLE bit.

sighs

double sigh without compensation for the first sigh

sighs harder
is going to be next when the mage update comes. I'm calling it.
Oh you mean like how
was FotM during season 4 and then nerfed in the beginning of Season 5. First patch she received a damage nerf to her early lane phase which was crucial to her playstyle since her late game is arguably not that good. And on top of that they nerfed her E stun width on her spheres, which I would understand since people complained about it, comparing it to Morgana binding levels. But that left her 8-9 months trashed with bugs that got amplified with whatever changes they did. I still get kinda salty that Morgana got a victorious skin over Syndra or any other champion. Morgana hardly got nerfed. I do agree that it could happen to Syndra again after her buff.
Considering what happened to Veigar originally (making compensation an in-joke for all of us), "Sejuani'd" is now a term we use, and Syndra's name is not "Lee Sin," I'm kind of worried.
If syndra gets nerfed again i will cry so hard
does
count?
Sorry, he's not used to positive feedback ;)
Get back you savages! = Stay away from my main!
FOTM made me pretty sad when they started getting insta-picked/banned...then nerfed =/
"What is this term 'nerf'... What does it mean Kassadin?"
-just stares at her for a moment- "Fuck yourself."
I actually miss seeing blink spam
. Last time I played him i noticed after you use his ult 3 times the cost jumps up too something like 800 mana O_o
That's because they took away his mana refund part of his ult.
'Beats chest out of sorrow'
My poor lady...
He is always in the meta
the time when ur main becane op and everyone started saying u are bad for playing them.
is coming soon for being ADC eater i know it.
"EYE see you!" ZAP
I'm just over here hiding in a corner with my
support.
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Watched Sejuani be slowly dismantled.
Watched Janna go from nerf to nerf to nerf.
Watched Sona be completely obliterated.
Watched Evelynn circle the drain with a boot on her throat.
Now they're after Lux for some reason.
And yet, hypermobility and resourceless bullshit champs run wild. It's too bad Riot won't just tell us what champs to play; it would make this a lot easier.
Janna, Sona, and Evelynn are all strong picks in the current meta. Sejuani, on the other hand, is substantially weaker than most junglers.
I would hate to see Lux nerfed in the same way Sejuani was, but in some ways her high-reward for low-risk needs to be toned down a bit. 
LUX IS FINE. She's just seeing an upswing in power because most other mages are in the trash right now and she's a safe, long-ranged pick who can survive laning phase and then contribute solid AP damage. Seriously, nearly EVERY other mid laner is an assassin right now. Don't nerf Lux... buff other mages up to mattering again.
It's the cinderhulk treatment again. Riot needs to nerf items like
, not the champions.
a month ago nobody cared about
but now theres so many "nerf
rito plz" threads
personally i blame the dark horses thing riot did. No one cared about brand,then suddenly brand support everywhere,like if his ult doesn't bounce off of minions. which is op.
- "I don´t even miss that 5 AD."
haha everyone will remember that day
ad nerfs op
I feel ya. My main ADC was Quinn b4 her rework. ;-;
RIP 
It still feels weird seeing someone else use Quinn.
I get the same feeling with
being the fotm this time. I used to main him back in the days (shout out to dekar173 the father of all rengos) and now because of the vision nerfs everyone starts bitching about him.
Its not really the vision nerfs,if anything the vision update nerfed rengar. Its his new passive,a permanent SOTO that never falls off or loses stacks unlike the old item forms and the fact that his Ebola is now AD. Aside from those things,he always one shotted people late game and no one cared.
My main is actually slowly going up in both pick rate and win rate... soooo... http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66272641.jpg