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Feral Flare and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith

Hyrum Graff··3 votes·652 views

I'd like to see some consistency in where they can start stacking. If FF can start stacking at hunter's machete, why can't SW? And why does SW have a stack cap while FF doesn't? FF is a wonderful item for "carry type junglers," but only for autoattack-based carry-style junglers. AP (and AD) casters are still left in the dark :(

edit: What I really mean to say is, when I feel that I do as well on diana running FF as running SW, there's a problem.

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Hyrum Graff

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Papy Mougeot3 votes

Yes, I think junglers item are completely unbalanced. I'm not sure if no cap for every items should be a thing, there is no cap at FF because it's for carry junglers and they need to scale with the game.

I just don't see why FF is just better than others items with no cap, but cost less than the others jungler items, probably give more gold and exp because more damage in the jungle. Give a ward. The stacks start with machete.

No reason to pick anything else than an "attack speed jungler".

KrawMagraw1 votes

You have a very valid point imo. FF however needs a stack cap of 20, maybe 30 at the highest though, and the gating might need to be tuned just a bit, maybe make only large monster kills once you get madreds and up count, and i think a treatment like that would be good for spectral wraith if that mechanic is implemented as to separate the two.

However i'm pretty sure FF will always offer more to the champ that dedicates to it than Wraith ever will just because of the playstyle optimized for each.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

Fair enough; then perhaps my point is that there doesn't exist a carry item for jungler mages.

KrawMagraw2 votes

ya I fully understand the thought process, though I don't think there is a need for a carry item for anything really because I think that it actually defeats the purpose of a jungler.

Imo jungle items should be complimentary to a playstyle, With FF there complimentary to a carry style, though FF in itself is not enough to carry a game with, but helps with bonus gold generation and infinite stacking mechanism. Additionaly, besides just raw stats golem and lizard lend themselves to there specific roles through tenacity, and the burn passive. Spectral wraith doesn't really have any special passive other than the crappy stacking mechanism, which lends itself to farming, which wouldn't really fit the role of a mage jungler.

But to be fair giving wraith a proper passive is hard because of the different types of ap characters. Obviously just giving it raw ap stats can work, but a lot of junglers that need scale with ap, don't actually prioritize ap, rather more so magic pen, or CDR, or even spell vamp on the S3 wraith is better than what it is now. At the start of the season it had a proper passive, but when it was shown the power of that passive it got toned down, moved to everything, and in return wraith got a much shitier passive that makes it worthless, actually killing mage junglers.

Sorry kinda went on a tangent off topic just realizing.

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