Is Udyr better as Tiger, or Pheonix? Or do I max both?
I'm new to Udyr, and need some help getting the right layout for him. How do you play him, what skills do you max, and what runes/masteries do you acquire?
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Pheonix or tiger really depends on what you're looking for.
Tiger will give you better single target damage and better turret pushing while phoenix will give you better clear times and AOE dmg.
It's really one or the other, not both.
my personall upgrade order for him is Ti-Tu-B-Ti-Ti-Tu-Ti-Tu-Ti-Tu-Tu-B-B-B-B-P-P-P (ti=Tiger, Tu=turtle B= bear and P=Phoenix) this is a general Tiger stance build for him, if you want to go phoenix stance, replace Ti with P and vice versa.
Tiger stance has a better ability to GIVE kills to players since you can walk away with them having no HP, hope your laner gets the kill, but if not secure it with the minor DoT from the stance, as well as from red(if you have it at the time)
Pheonix has better clear time, and stronger ability to take kills because of your AoE that lets you keep damaging them even as you move to cut them off.
Turtle stance is your tanking stance, I have survived many Vel'Koz ults, Zed Ult's Teemo shrooms and other High damage attacks because of it. If you plan to build him tanky, you really should max it second since it makes you so much more survivable.
Bear stance is your gank stance, it is your only gap closer, and it is a stun, it works like a mini ghost that you can use for 4 seconds every 6 seconds.
When I gank with Udyr you want to start your gank in any stance other then bear, wait till you know you have just minions between you, and activate bear, this will let you ghost through the minions, catching the opposing laner off guard, then switch to either your Tiger or phoenix stance, depending on which you are running. Now you can either switch to turtle to lifesteal if you need, or you can wait for bear to come back off CD, or for your Tiger/phoenix to come back of CD. The issue with udyr's ganks is that if your lane has pushed them, it is almost impossible to get a good gank off since you are entirely reliant on move speed to catch them.
Obviously my way is not the only way, so check out other guide sites as well, try him out yourself and go from there. hope this was helpful to you, feel free to ask me any questions.
the answer for jungle is bear, always Bear, its a scary thing seeing an udyr go, BEAR TIGER PHOENIX and then bear if your running away from tiger of phoenix
Personally I focus Bear first with Pheonix in a close second, do that if you plan to gank often.
If you plan to get feral flare and play 'timebomb jungle' max phoenix ASAP and only leave your jungle to countergank and cover. Just helps with the clear time.
Get MS or attack speed quints, armor/level seals, mr/level glyphs, and flat armor or attack speed marks.
I've started putting Udyr into my rotation recently and, after doing some reading and spectating some featured games, I decided to go Tiger>Turtle>Bear and basically forsake Phoenix as long as I'm not forced to put points into it. I figure if you're focusing on Phoenix you'd forsake Tiger just as much.
It basically just makes you a blunt instrument that the other team HAS TO deal with and quickly, but almost nobody can 1v1 you.