@SmashGizmo - Olaf is incredibly weak because you removed his defense and offensive capabilities.

GhostStalker··15 votes·1,765 views

1). Removing the Health Scaling on his True damage is the main culprit to olaf's lack of success. Building Items on Olaf is pointless because he doesn't do enough damage to warrant it. This means playing Olaf is pointless because he doesn't exert the kind of pressure needed to truly carry games as olaf.

What's the point of building tanky on olaf if you do no damage? All you bring is a slow. You don't have any real CC outside of that. What's the point of building damage on olaf if you can't survive long enough to do the damage you built for? You have no way of getting in range quickly enough to deliver your damage.

So you'd think there's some kind of middle ground. But there's not. There are no items olaf can build that allow him to live longer AND do more damage. Either these type of items don't do enough damage, or they don't let him live long enough.

And the icing on the cake was losing much of his offensive capability in all aspects (lower true damage, no armor penetration, minimum range on Q) and then you took away his defense when he ults (which by the way, makes no sense. No other champion is like that, and 6 seconds if being immune to CC isn't some end all be all ultimate, you're just picking on Olaf. Or your design views on Olaf are really really bad).

Like when I play Olaf, I don't feel good about it anymore. He has too many challenges to overcome to win a game.

16 Comments

Darth Kitti5 votes

I have to completely disagree. I have been having fantastic success against all my lane opponents as olaf. He is a monstrous lane bully, I have been able to completely shut down most traditional lane bullies like renekton, Ryze etc. The fact is I have too much sustain as olaf compounded with the absurd damage on his e, and I will shove you out of lane or you will die. I have easily 1v2'd the enemy laner and jungler coming out alive because of his passive. I will always get a BotRK and then go full tank. And while it is true that I won't be able to insta-burst anyone down that isn't my job. My job as olaf is to stick to the enemy adc and make their life a living hell, which is easily done with the BotRK.

Skaarrjj1 votes

im trying to jungle with him

Earl Eulrich6 votes

the problem is not winning lane 1v1 with olaf...the problem is doing something in teamfights other than getting kited/blown up if you´re not already ridiculously far ahead.

Cloud Potato1 votes

And if you're ridiculously far ahead, you steamroll the enemy team because they can't kill you. Riot really wanted to keep Olafs ultimate intact, but at the moment he can't be balanced with it.

Decrit1 votes

I would upvote this, if only it would allow me :P

Earl Eulrich5 votes

the main problem is that there´s a skill in this game that gives everyone cc immunity and a huge shield...while olaf spends his ult to get rid of his own defensive stats for a little time of immunity. They really should reevaluate the ultimate...and black shield while hey´re at it. Either CC-immunity is no big deal and it should be spammable+olaf gets a shield, or it is a big deal and should be removed from black shield. It´s just inconsistent like hell and olaf is suffering for it.

Venowolf2 votes

I don't know why the Ragnarok don't give him MS buff, It's weird that only turn Olaf red give inmunity to cc and give AD. Feel very weird turn red but not run fast...

I think that he can be reworked keeping the same identity (Berseker) in his role but making him more viable.

For example @RockBall I like that idea of 2 charges in his Q is wonderful (Corki ult but only with a cap of 2 charges)

For me have a lot of sense he have 2 axes so its obviusly he can throw 2 axes. This new mechanic need an increase in the cd but add more chance to sticking and chase. Also add the option to refund a 30% of mana cost if pick an axe (60% if pick both) can help to evade the oom in lane.

Now make his E into a gapcloser with a low range (Maokai W 525) can help him a lot specially to gank or chase people but like the Q need to increase the cd slighty.

This two changes can help a lot an make much viable.

Now the passive, W and ulti can manage the Berseker part.

Making a sinergy with the three to give Olaf the identity of Berseker.

So the passive can remain like the actual but now have more relevance.

The W need to change, first take off the AS buff (too redundant with the passive) and replaced by AD buff, But this AD is not a flat amount, this AD work like the passive, so when Olaf activate the Vicious Strike he gains AD increases by 1% for every 1% of his missing health, Also buff the life steal amount to make more useful. (10 14 18 22 26 % LFS )

And now the Ulti need changes first keep the passive defenses ALWAYS. In the active part take off the AD flat bonus (put into the E) and replaces with MS buff (15 25 35 %). And finally gain a new mechanic that increase in 50% the passive and Vicious Strike amount during the duration of Raganarok.

So this really give him a Berseker identity specially when he is nearly to death, So now Olaf turn into a champ that everybody fear when he is weak specially under the Ragnarok effects.

Is the same set but with nice changes to make his identity of Berseker more revelant and make him more viability.

CISTERN2 votes

Olaf countered by mobility.With 550 ms u need 1,27 seconds to reach one orb walking adc with 600 range, then the adc use one disengage ability (450range) 1 more second then flash 1 more second.For 3,3 s adc is immune to your aa and your w and your e good luck with your 2,5 seconds on your target, then go for the apc (with 550 ms) 1,2 to reach your target 2,5 seconds hourglass gl with your 2,3 seconds on your target. For split push olaf dont have executive abilities or gap closer so he cant snowball vs smart people. Bad team fights= 3 Average split push =6 (6+3)/2=4,5= bad pick Sry for my english

Skaarrjj1 votes

I don't understand how riot could butcher a champion who literally has to walk up to you to do anything.

Noctis Lunaris2 votes

Skarner

Skaarrjj2 votes

Let's be real. Skarner has a good movement speed steroid.

Noctis Lunaris1 votes

Movement speed steroids aren't as strong as they used to be. Changing it ro be a ramp up also meant that when it actually a noticeable increase, It was already at the end of It's duration.

Fisk2 votes

I think skarner is pretty solid right now actually. Lots of damage and really good at picking off people. That new slow is brutal if you max it.... But tbh yeah the shield ms is pretty chump.. Really not worth maxing anymore

Venowolf1 votes

Skarner help to reach platinium is in a good spot with the Cinderhulk.

Decrit1 votes

Olaf player here. While lately i am not having a good ti me in enemy tf's, i don' t agree that he is unplayable right now. Even while under my worst skill condition i managed to win a lot of lanes, thanks to his E and his incredible sustain; many times i trolled the enemy by haging with low health and then throwing a W+R that annihilated them.

I also like his ultimate: while it is rough work it' s good to devastate the enemy carry, and with the tradeoff that it brings it just means you don' t have to use it lightly: engage with the passive and pop it in order to pop adc' s head! He can compensate his lack of engagement in many ways, mainly Boots of swiftness/BotRK/Mallet ( it still exists!).

Also: what E scaling? he never had one before now as far as i know, even before the rework; now it scales with AD ( in case you build a bit of it since, y' see, loads os AS ) and mostly reduces cd with auto attacks. On a crazed berserkerman that has innate AS steroid + as passive. Even if it does not nuke, what matters? huge peel and huge dps on the way.

There is still the problem with dashers/blinkers that make olaf engage an hell, but well i guess every champ has is pros and cons right?

Yukata1 votes

lol the new olaf smacks face... got a double off kennen and shyvana white i was half they were fullOlaf Olaf Olaf and went on the blow up top lane

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