@Riot a question that needs a hard and real answer

The7thKing·Apr 14, 2014·1 votes·323 views

ever since the reworks on the champs you recently reworked (ie: , etc.) They have disappeared from the map ENTIRELY, havent seen them or other hard nerfested champs since you nerfed them. the question is, can you at least show us what the changes will do in game? Patch preview helped lessen the blow for major nerfs that happened and now without that, we take the full brunt of the blow. I wanna know riot, Will you fix the broken champs and make this fun or just tinker on the code of the game and continue to make us go WTF?

9 Comments

Sir ArmaMalumApr 14, 20142 votes

I find it's more that people try to play the reworked champs like they played before the rework. I cannot count how many times I've seen people go "Rengar sucks so much after this rework", they got crushed because they're still paying him like an assassin, when he's actually a heavy fighter now. Haven't played Kass at all before or after the rework, but I wouldn't be surprised if these two come back up once their numbers settle and people get around to coming back to them.

The7thKingApr 14, 20141 votes

ummmm prime and only purpose before rework mate? Assassin, thats what he and khazix were designed to be, assassins that could wreck and fk some stuff up

Sir ArmaMalumApr 14, 20141 votes

Yeah completely agree.

But after rework his kit actually supports a fighter style now. His W gives a lot of mitigation in the middle fo a team fight, his Q is a large AA enhance nuke (similar to Renek W) and he has increased mobility after he supposedly jumps in (after ult stealth). His ability to 100-0 someone's face off was specifically removed as that was the reason for the rework. So people trying to replicate the same results the same way they did before will end up having a bad time.

The7thKingApr 14, 20141 votes

but dare i ask are they supposed to do about khazix, his only job is assassin, says so in the shop! he cant 100-0 anymore unless your telling me that i cant use him after i started to play him since day one!

Sir ArmaMalumApr 14, 20141 votes

Well, to correct myself, it was the 100-0 combined with the fact that he could stealth and jump on anyone he wanted from any angle he wanted. Once a Rengar with decent damage jumped on a squishy there was little to nothing that poor carry could do. Before S4 he wasn't that bad because oracles existed but once that was removed that interaction was very unhealthy for game balance.

Kha'zix though you at least you can see coming with proper warding and play. If you're 100-0'd by a Kha (in a general sense) you are being punished for allowing him to be that close, but pre-rework Rengar could do that no matter what the best team did.

The7thKingApr 14, 20141 votes

may i make a suggustion? BRING BACK ORACLES

Sir ArmaMalumApr 14, 20141 votes

There's arguments for bringing it back and keeping it out that have merit. I'm actually in the former though, so yes, please bring it back. lol

The7thKingApr 14, 20141 votes

i need a red for explanations for removal of oracles, wrecking of assassins etc.

I Main SwainApr 14, 20141 votes

honestly, after all his nerfs, even after his most recent rework which kinda buffed him, rengar is a horrible champion. he HAS to get fed to not feed, and even then he is very reliant on bushes, otherwise he can only initiate with his ult, which in my opinion is kinda bad now.