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The7thKing··3 votes·791 views

Dont call me anything because of this, hear me out because I'm done with what riots done. first Sion thenUrgot thenAhri thenKhazix thenKassadin whos next? Jax because ZionSpartan owned like a god?! i hate it when GD listens to bronzies that bitch too much about a champ thats op when they cant freaking counter it. Khazixs job is like all assassins, capitalize on mistakes, and with power nerfs well you may as well use him for something else, when will riot learn from there mistakes?

22 Comments

Krypton13 votes

You must not remember Jax's passive. Jax at one point could one button roll a whole team. These aren't being done because they want to take a dump on champs you like, they do it because balancing will always need to be done.

The7thKing1 votes

if balancing means it doesnt make them useable sure, i used to play nothing but urgot and sion, then they did there fatal mistakes riot

MackleDoge1 votes

I wouldn't say they are unusable per-say, just a very small niche pick that you have to be really good to use effectively. AP Sion mid can work, same with Urgot as ADC, jungle, or even a tank-ish bruiser top. It's just kind of hard since you're at a disadvantage because of the kits of the champions.

Krypton12 votes

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if balancing means it doesnt make them useable sure, i used to play nothing but urgot and sion, then they did there fatal mistakes riot

They're still usable. They may not be the same but you can still win with them, and people still play them. Look back at some early Eve changes, everyone played Eve, she got the nerf stick like she needed and most everyone stopped playing her... but she was still played and she still won. After the rework again she is now played more.

I still play Urgot,and Sion, and I still enjoy playing them. I may actually play Kass now because I was in the minority of players that hate to play as Kassadin and I like most of his changes (I know, no-one else does.)

MackleDoge1 votes

Can I ask you what about the Kassadin changes you like? And what you didn't like about Kassadin before the changes? Curious to see someone else's perspective on it, since like you mentioned, a lot of people don't like the changes or at the best are neutral.

Krypton11 votes

Kassadin was the first champ everyone told me to play, and I lost. I lost horribly. I lost repetitively. I just couldn't get my head around how he worked, and I knew it was because I'm just not good with quick bursting. The thing I hated the most? The silence. That ability could break teamfights and I always felt horrible using it. even though I would be losing on Kassadin one silence and I'd turn a teamfight for our team.

I like the new mechanic of interrupting channeled spells, first thing I thought of was how this now makes him a thought out counter pick instead of "**** you I'm a counter to everyone". The ult changes are also nice, I can't tell you how many teamfights I've lost because a Kass wasn't willing to come in without more stacks, engages shouldn't be reliant on what a Kassadin wants.

MackleDoge3 votes

Fair enough, losing a lot on a champion can be rough, and not everyone enjoys abusing an OP tactic, I respect you for that. Thanks for your input and opinion on it!

ChaosThief3 votes

Besides those fighting the kass every time COUGH COUGH ONESHOT COUGH

MackleDoge1 votes

Jax has counters and can be shut down early game without much difficulty, it just requires solid mechanics and patience. Forcing him to group with his team so they don't lose objectives and a bunch of fights 4v5 effectively shuts down his split push potential.

And for the record, everyone can get dumpstered in a game, including "champs like you" so let's try to avoid the needless insults and keep the conversation relevant to the topic.

TheWrithingVoid3 votes

Kassadin has been completely broken. His inventory will have to look like this for him to come close to his previous power. item 3048 item 3048 item 3048item 3048item 3048item 3255 Maybe instead of dumping on midlaners that people just don't know how to play against, maybe riot could nerf face rolls like Katarina

Remlap12232 votes

There is only one assassin that is truly a face roll, and that's MasterYi. Kat takes skill to play, and is extremely squishy. She's mobile glass cannon, and that's all she's got going for her.

ChaosThief2 votes

Katarina isn't a faceroll... Well, most of the time.

Riot must nerf the true faceroll known as Akali

The7thKing2 votes

since you guys are the only ones that will listen to me, how about teaching me how to play these guys again?

MackleDoge1 votes

Unfortunately, the only one out of those that I can actually play well is Kha'Zix and Jax, both of which are also probably the easiest. My recommendation would be a lot of mechanical practice for Sion, Urgot, and Ahri, and for Jax/Kha'zix watch some streams on Twitch, because they are popular and will most likely be played and explained by those high tier streamers.

Krypton11 votes

Sion has some amazing AD potential. I use him top against a slow poke champ (something like Mundo, or Nid, possibly a Nasus) and I work on getting sustain first not damage. Honestly he only shines late game though so if you have a lane that loses you'll not be strong enough to handle the midgame teamfights.

MackleDoge1 votes

Out of curiosity, what's your complaint about Kha'zix? Because I have no trouble jungling as him effectively and carrying games or working to create great opportunities?

I agree with the Kassadin part of this, I'm really sad with how they've changed him, mainly it just feels like he isn't even an anti-mage anymore, it doesn't even feel like I'm playing anything unique or fun.

They've already stated they are working on Sion (it's currently in internal testing I believe) so that is receiving some progress and they've mentioned Urgot needing attention sometime in the future, pretty sure he was mentioned on the list of champions receiving help this year.

As far as Ahri is concerned, I really don't feel like she is as weak as people make her out to be. She definitely isn't the strongest mid right now, but she is far far away from being the weakest. She can still have a huge impact on the game, farms really well and can participate in seiging and trying to get catches as well as can play the role of a mobile split push in the team composition.

The7thKing1 votes

well it seems no matter how hard i try the teams see me as useless and when i try to carry they just feed thinking that khas stupid post nerf fest, im annoyed at that, khazix used to be something i could use and be feared, now he isnt

MackleDoge1 votes

I don't know man that's strange, because I see him banned pretty often, and you don't ban things you don't fear or think you can handle. How have you been trying to build him? What's your rune page look like? What skills are you upgrading in what order with your ult? Maybe you're missing something or making a few mechanical issues?

As far as your team, ignore them and play your game. Do what you can to help them in lane so that they at least go even, keep track of objectives and how people are farming, make sure to ping when you see the enemy jungler no matter what the situation, and make sure to ward your own jungle or the enemies camps so you can keep track of their progress. You can't control your teammate's attitudes or feelings, but you can make sure it doesn't effect yours and that your attitude stays positive.

aaronautumn1 votes

I disagree with your original post that Kassadin was nerfed because of "bronzies". He was banned practically every game even in platinum. I don't think he was op though. But also I think it's too early to say if he's in a bad spot like Urgot or Sion. When they reworked Katarina and Eve most people's first reaction was to say that they were "unplayable" and a bunch of other stuff. It was only a month later that people adapted and learned how to play them. Once people experiment with him more they may discover that he's not that bad.

Kira Onime1 votes

Kassadin was perma banned everywhere, period.

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Remlap12231 votes

Everyone has their own opinion on who is overpowered and who is not. As for me, somebody who rocks Gangplank in most games he plays, I countered Kassadin, and thought he was severely overrated because of that (still thought the nerf on his ultimate was necessary though). However, in my opinion, Blitzcrank LeblancGragas and DrMundo are overpowered. I certainly wouldn't bat an eye if they got Olaf'd the next day. However, I would agree that over-nerfing is a problem (you forgot some champions Evelynn Ezreal Gangplank Graves Jayce KogMaw MissFortune Nautilus Nidalee [besides her spears] Rengar Shaco Talon Teemo Tryndamere TwistedFate Twitch Vayne Viktor XinZhao Zac Zyra ), and the better option would be to buff champs that have gotten Olaf'd to oblivion (still waiting on Planky's rework for his new E and a non-sucky ultimate).

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