Quick Question about the jungle ^^

JackYAqua·4/25/2014, 2:31:30 PM·2 votes·923 views

Hello Teemo-haterz,

I'm trying to make a new jungle item for tanks and so I was wondering :
What champions do you feel are not represented by the current jungle items/ have problems in the jungle.

I know the Spirit of the Ancient Golem is supposed to be for the tanks, but I heard some discussion about tanks having problems in the jungle so I thought I'd think about it, if the problem is really present.

Edit : THANKS for the feedback ^^ I was worried you wouldn't get my weird wording, but you did and I got all the info I needed.

18 Comments

CaptainWednesday4/25/2014, 3:03:38 PM2 votes

Are you talking about just tanks that struggle in the jungle?

SinisterMC4/25/2014, 6:09:44 PM2 votes

The problem some tank champions trying to jungle typically face is their lack of sustain and efficiency in the jungle. item 3207 is a great jungle item for an Udyr trying to build tanky and become a monster at chasing and stuning/bursting down targets. The key thing though is that doesn't make Udyr a good jungler or tank; it is his set of abilities that makes him a monster at clearing jungle camps and sustaining his HP. Any champion "can jungle", the real question is what champions are viable in the jungle. Leona could jungle, but she lacks sustain and clear speed so she would fall behind and be ineffective. It is all about a comparison of performances, so it is hard to make an item that would boost a Leona 's viability in the jungle without overpowering a jungler like Udyr . An item that boosted stats imperative to jungling, scaling based off of health and armor/mr, might improve the viability of champions such as Leona Garen Thresh Singed Shen . Again though, it's all about their kit. Some champions are designed with the jungle in mind, others will stuggle to jungle because jungle viability wasn't a main focus during their design. Some tanky champions that do well in the jungle include Chogath Amumu Rammus Hecarim Nasus Volibear Shyvana

Asatorrr4/26/2014, 3:39:18 AM2 votes

For me, item 1080 certainly gives your survivability, but some tanky junglers ( Sejuani Maokai etc) have mana issues that most of the fighter champions don't. And while the tanks give more CC, their ganking is really not more power than the bruisers, as bruisers have sufficient CC to still gank effectively with better itemization paths.

It used to be that tank junglers had cheap options for items (runic bulwark, old locket) that let them get hardy quickly. Now most tank items are expensive (2750g+) and with their slow clear speed and struggles ganking (why pick a champ with much less damage for slighly more CC?) tank junglers have begun to get outclassed.

I'm not saying Maokai ,etc aren't viable, just that they aren't as up to par. Because we can't just buff these champions, we need to find items that make them work well.

Pyrrasu4/26/2014, 7:09:37 AM2 votes

I think the tanks' main problems are in their slow clear times and weak early levels in the jungle. When assassins are so common, they can just come into your jungle and murder you. Spirit Stone is more beneficial on champions with quick camp clears (you deal the same damage to a camp regardless, but the quicker it dies the less damage you take). You don't need to be as tanky to clear as you used to be.

Spirit of the Ancient Golem could probably use some buffs, but tanks need some sort of advantage earlier on as well.

KrawMagraw4/26/2014, 6:07:47 PM2 votes

Biggest issues for tank Junglers

1.Slow Clear speeds
2.Weak Early game
1. lack of sustain.
Basically it boils down to those three which turns into the actual problem of simply being outclassed, though one problem which is fixable is extremely high mana costs from older untouched champs like sej, moakai, j4, a lot of the utility ones

What a Tank jung. really needs to be effective is an insanely op item that would give them tankiness, early game power/survivability, and clear speed. It's nearly impossible to make something like that that's balanced.

Tyliear Depraw4/25/2014, 8:51:26 PM1 votes

we need a jungle item with armor and mr, not a ton at first but let it stack up to a cap like the sosw