AA bruisers are considered way too strong on this map yet the easiest way to counter them is removed, why?
I'm not looking for the bullshit "this will cause a meta shift so we can't." That is exactly why it needs to be there
Sir ArmaMalum3 votesIt used to be on there, and if I remember correctly the reasoning was that it continued a meta of AP tanks that wouldn't fight you, they'd just slowly creep forward and there wasn't much an AD based champion could do, they'd just progress steadily forward. I know Singed and Amumu were particularly common offenders of this, as well as any huge health stackers as AD is the thing that usually chunks it.
Essentially, with Thornmail a lot of champs got the capacity to tank all three champions, as it's armor and damage return was tuned for 5 people. If it comes back in any incarnation I can bet it's going to have a reduced effect in armor, return damage or both.
Labcown2 votesKeep in mind what ArmaMalum is saying happened before the Armor Pen changes hit, and flat was always calculated before percentage.
Couple that with an environment where HP and Resistances reigned pretty easily (Season 2 / Pre-3 / Some of 3) and it was easy to see how abusive Thornmail actually was at that time. Like he said, tanks (especially Singed) would be able to get tanky enough to pretty much ignore everyone on the opposite team and push through towers and win games like that.
That being said, I think the game is in a much healthier spot that if they wanted to put Thornmail back into TT, they easily could by slightly nerfing it and perhaps it's what needed right now to combat this new wave of AD Bruiser Meta that's infected TT.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesYou're correct.....wow has it really been that long already?
TecToNiiC1 votesTy for the insight! Ive only been around since early to mid season 3 and only recently started playing TT so I wasnt even aware that it had been a problem.
My original post was sort of a rant due to the fact that I cant play blind pick without the enemy team having at least 2 out the group of udyr, jax, tryn in every game. Obviously I can ban them when I go to play ranked but it isnt really fun trying to practice champions that arnt normally banned against a bunch of drain tanks who just face tank you and hardly lose hp.
Im also wondering how their matchmaking works for the blind pick. I only have 20 wins and about 40 games of TT played and all my friends are below that yet we constantly get matched against players with 200 or 300+ wins...
Sir ArmaMalum2 votesNo problem, I've been playing TT off and on for about the last 2 years, but I'm by no means an expert :P
Oh man, don't get me started on 3v3 matchmaking, lol, I'm Gold and I've been on silver teams going against plat teams with Diamond players on TT, it's a bit ridiculous. Seriously though, how I've come to understand the inherently flawed matchmaking is due to a much smaller matchmaking base, as in there are simply less people to pick from when pairing you against opponents, which means a much higher range of possible ranks to go up against compared to SR.
As a kind of fun fact, before the per level change on Sunfires, 3 bruiser teams stacking them were quite common in mid-elo TT and was honestly quite ridiculous at times. That and Teemo, man were this TT+Dom specific changes to traps a relief.....
Sire Hippington1 votesWell, i play a fair share of TT, and i'm sure that thornmale wouldn't be bad, as any good team has either ap-bruisers or more likly a mage like Oriana/Lulu/Lisandra, so spending over 2k gold on a pure armor items definitly got it's drawbacks, but it wold help alot if a tryn or rengar becomes fed.
Fun fact, with the old Blackfire, triple ap-comps were also damn effecktive thing, Amumu+Annie+Victor ult did delete nearly everything...
And yea, the small playerbase leads to a strange matchmakeing. In S3 i faced a challenger team at 5am with my gold1 team...since then we either ban renekton or J4 or both....