Her spear damage has to go down. There's no two ways about it. If you don't do this, I'm just going to be forced to ban Nidalee in all my games because of how effective she is when played even moderately well.
Even if Nidalee had risk in her kit (which she doesn't) her Q damage at 1500 range is far too high.
Only Play Nid1 votesYou need all in dmg if she´s full AP. It´s like literally the only weakness. I would honestly like some of her Q dmg moved to her ult and her E.
MackleDoge1 votesYou want it moved to her heal? Or do you mean cougar form E?
Only Play Nid1 votesBoth. ALL of her AP power is in her Q right now.
MackleDoge1 votesWell, I hope you're at least partially joking. Her heal is already extremely strong as it is, it definitely does not need a buff in the slightest bit, if anything it should be nerfed in either ratio or having the (unwarranted) AS buff removed. Nidalee shouldn't be able to simply through spears all day long then just jump away in cougar form every time anyone gets close just to heal to full health with one or two E's at the most.
I feel like her power needs to be moved more into her cougar form and that the feel and play of the cougar form needs to be improved. As it stands the cougar form can feel a bit clunky and difficult to control with the detail necessary for strong mechanical play. I also feel that Nidalee needs to be forced in one direction or the other, she shouldn't be able to build full AP and still do consistent damage with her cougar form, build AD bruiser and get all the utility from her standard form, or build hybrid (not that I really see anyone doing that) and get both utility and strong base damage in cougar form.
I release that being a person with the name "Only Play Nid" you aren't going to like that view point, but I think it's a bit unrealistic to say that as far as Nidalee is concerned you're entirely objective. I want her to still be competitive and fun to play as, but she also needs to be fun to play against and have solid counterplay. As she is right now, she isn't healthy for the game.
Only Play Nid1 votesHer heal doesn´t need nerfs if her spear is nerfed. If you nerf her Q then she has literally nothing left in human form that is especially useful EXCEPT for her heal. If her W is made useful then you can nerf Q and take some E power away, but since she has basically 2 spells in human form, nerfing Q AND E makes it effectively useless.
MackleDoge1 votesWhich is why I said that her cougar form needs power moved into it. Nidalee being a spear turret is boring, its unrewarding to play against, and it's a stagnant game mechanism. Nidalee is a dual form champion, both forms should be equally important for how she is played, just like Elise. She needs to have the power of her kit balanced out, and just moving that from her Q to make her heal even more power than it already is doesn't solve anything, it just creates a different problem.
Only Play Nid1 votesIf you don´t buff something else in her human form after the nerfs, then it becomes almost useless for AP nid. Maybe make her W useful, Idk, it doesn´t HAVE to be the heal, just make a reason for her to be in her damn human form.
MackleDoge1 votesShe already has a reason: her spears and her heal. And quite frankly if you think that Nidalee doesn't have room to have her spears nerfed a little bit and her human form still be worth using, then I don't think you're actually interested in her being balanced at all. Shifting more power into cougar form that makes it playable with AP Nidalee is the point I'm trying to make. It shouldn't be pick AP and throw spears or pick AD and bruiser in cougar form. It should be build solid and use both forms.
Nerfing human form to require AP Nidalee to actually use her cougar form gives opportunity and counterplay to the opponent, which is something that is currently lacking in the extreme for Nidalee. This should be done in a manner that keeps both AP and AD Nidalee entirely viable while still being able to emphasize the strengths of each side.
MackleDoge1 votesSomeone at Riot is actually currently looking at Nidalee. I can't remember if it was RiotRepetoire or someone else.
