For reall who is the most difficult champion?

Caitlyn FTW·Jan 1, 2020·30 votes·15,795 views

Because it is definitely not Aphelios.

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Busty DemonessJan 1, 202047 votes

Kalista.

Partly because her stats are extremely weak to accommodate her kit which gets extremely strong for two well coordinated players. Also because her passive is similarly powerful with high mechanical skills.

ToolmakerJan 2, 20202 votes

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Kalista.

Partly because her stats are extremely weak to accommodate her kit which gets extremely strong for two well coordinated players. Also because her passive is similarly powerful with high mechanical skills.

Are we going to ignore how her kit is mainly mouse clicking? And she doesn't have any combos or animation canceling.

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Busty DemonessJan 2, 20202 votes

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Are we going to ignore how her kit is mainly mouse clicking? And she doesn't have any combos or animation canceling.

[sg-lux-2]

Are you going to ignore that a large chunk of her kit's effectiveness relies on having another player that is well coordinated with you? How about the fact her passive is hard to control well? "Just a bunch of mouse clicks" when you're often clicking to both sides of Kalista just to kite gets pretty difficult, especially during a team fight.

This isn't even factoring in that any other champion doesn't need to have animation cancelling or specific combos mastered to be played decently. Kalista isn't just more mechanically intense than Riven or Yasuo, her stats have to be kept low because of her kit making her almost impossible to play well without someone to help make good use of her kit's aspects.

ToolmakerJan 2, 20201 votes

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Are you going to ignore that a large chunk of her kit's effectiveness relies on having another player that is well coordinated with you? How about the fact her passive is hard to control well? "Just a bunch of mouse clicks" when you're often clicking to both sides of Kalista just to kite gets pretty difficult, especially during a team fight.

This isn't even factoring in that any other champion doesn't need to have animation cancelling or specific combos mastered to be played decently. Kalista isn't just more mechanically intense than Riven or Yasuo, her stats have to be kept low because of her kit making her almost impossible to play well without someone to help make good use of her kit's aspects.

I'm just baffled why people are believing that Kalista is difficult to play. Having to be coordinated with another champion does not increase the personal difficulty of Kalista, and you don't have to be well-coordinated. When you put the spear on a support, whose whole job is to support the adc in laning phase and then support the team, and then your ult pulls them to safety and lets them launch themselves back out with a good sized aoe, it just seems that any support can coordinate well with her with minimal effort; her Sentinal passive is only based on an auto attack. In fact, you are putting more mechanical strain on the support than you are putting on yourself.

I've played Kalista before and tried out her passive. It was so easy to do, I wonder if people actually have tried her. Compared to other adcs with less mobility, her kiting and autos are easy and forgiving. She essentially has infinite dashes, as opposed to having to side-step everything with the nerfed adc mspeed.

Busty DemonessJan 2, 20202 votes

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I'm just baffled why people are believing that Kalista is difficult to play. Having to be coordinated with another champion does not increase the personal difficulty of Kalista, and you don't have to be well-coordinated. When you put the spear on a support, whose whole job is to support the adc in laning phase and then support the team, and then your ult pulls them to safety and lets them launch themselves back out with a good sized aoe, it just seems that any support can coordinate well with her with minimal effort; her Sentinal passive is only based on an auto attack. In fact, you are putting more mechanical strain on the support than you are putting on yourself.

I've played Kalista before and tried out her passive. It was so easy to do, I wonder if people actually have tried her. Compared to other adcs with less mobility, her kiting and autos are easy and forgiving. She essentially has infinite dashes, as opposed to having to side-step everything with the nerfed adc mspeed.

Because her ability alone is handicapped due to her kit. No other champion outright loses power from not having someone specific consistently nearby for maximizing her power.

ToolmakerJan 2, 20201 votes

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Because her ability alone is handicapped due to her kit. No other champion outright loses power from not having someone specific consistently nearby for maximizing her power.

She's a marksman, not a solo laner. The support is always there..

Busty DemonessJan 2, 20202 votes

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She's a marksman, not a solo laner. The support is always there..

That means she can't be played in other lanes (unlike most marksmen) as the Jungler won't always be there and she can't be played support either due to how tossing the ADC into the enemy team is a REALLY bad idea. Playing her as support would require Yasuo as her ADC and she isn't gonna be doing anything with him until level 6. It also means that if the support dies or has to back while she doesn't or otherwise needs to stay in lane, she's losing power.

And again, her personal stats are much weaker because of her kit. Not just because her kit has exceptional strength with good synergy, but also because her Rend and Passive both have very high potential power. Rend can let her out-smite a jungler. Passive lets her perma kite while attacking.

The thing about Kalista with her current kit is that it's not allowed to be good. If it's good, she's a pro play nightmare that's pick/ban. If it's not good, she's extremely difficult to play in a casual/solo setting.

None of that applies to any other champion in the game.

Wrathful ChickenJan 1, 202028 votes

Ivern Ivern

You can say others are more complicated, yes that is very true. However, his very concept is difficult. Trying to compete against powerful junglers as a shielder support. In terms of difficulty, you are in for a rough ride.

Akali is SO HOTJan 1, 202026 votes

Garen

Caitlyn FTWJan 1, 20209 votes

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Garen

Yeah it is definitely not Kalista. Garen is the hardest.

2gudaiyaJan 1, 202019 votes

Kalista

AlienPrimateJan 1, 202017 votes

I like to say that it is Kalista. You have my respect if you can properly play her.

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20202 votes

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I like to say that it is Kalista. You have my respect if you can properly play her.

imo also elise.

KythersJan 1, 202014 votes

Azir Draven Vayne

not hardest to play but hardest to play optimally

FriendIy MonkeyJan 1, 20203 votes

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not hardest to play but hardest to play optimally

It's weird that people don't think Draven is hard to play optimally with

HàrrowRJan 4, 20201 votes

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not hardest to play but hardest to play optimally

As a Vayne main i'll say she's not hard to play at all when she gets a couple of items and especially a full build. What's hard is getting there when you can't poke and you have no early game damage.

Late game i had literally fights where i'll face tank and win nevermind that kiting is really easy on her.

BeersteinJan 1, 202014 votes

Nidalee She requires you to excel at animation canceling almost constantly against both minions and champions while focusing on your fights and the map. I don't think a single player in the entirety of league has really mastered her due to some of her cancels being so timing sensitive and I've watched a lot of the top Nidalee players play.

As someone that's tried both Nid and Ivern, he requires a different mindset and probably the strongest mental game of any champ in league, but he doesn't go near Nidalee when it comes to mechanical aptitude or even practice required.

As a test if anyone owns her, I've seen the best players clear all 6 camps and get to the scuttle almost as it spawned via animation canceling with no leash and near full HP. Go into a practice match and try that and you'll see what I mean when I say she's not one of, but THE hardest to master.

ProphetOfDravenJan 1, 20209 votes

Ryze Few people can play him right.

Aatrox Most skillshot reliant champion in the game.

LuthianDelphiJan 1, 202018 votes

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Few people can play him right.

Most skillshot reliant champion in the game.

Xerath

ProphetOfDravenJan 1, 20203 votes

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Does Xerath die if he misses a Q?

Mangled PuppetsJan 2, 20203 votes

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Does Xerath die if he misses a Q?

He dies if he misses his e

ProphetOfDravenJan 2, 20201 votes

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He dies if he misses his e

Which ones harder to hit.

RanmiakuJan 2, 20201 votes

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Which ones harder to hit.

definitely xerath e, considering it doesnt go through minions, and i dont know how aatrox is dying from missing a q unless you're fucking up hard lol

ProphetOfDravenJan 2, 20202 votes

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definitely xerath e, considering it doesnt go through minions, and i dont know how aatrox is dying from missing a q unless you're fucking up hard lol

He requires hitting every single Q to win side lane fights, which he has to do, unlike xerath who can waveclear from 100000 range.

PredatoratorJan 3, 20202 votes

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He requires hitting every single Q to win side lane fights, which he has to do, unlike xerath who can waveclear from 100000 range.

xerath has high manacosts (something aatrox doesn't even know), and his passive makes him to get in aa range, leaving the safety of his skill range. he's far more reliant on positioning and aiming, since his hitboxes aren't as generous as aatrox's. he also has no peeling and dies as soon as jumped on. xerath skills don't knockup everyone hit for the sake of it. also have fun hitting a full xerath ult in league of mobility

ChickenWrapJan 1, 202024 votes

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Few people can play him right.

QWQEQ is difficult

ProphetOfDravenJan 1, 20207 votes

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QWQEQ is difficult

He requires insane positioning as he is one of the lowest ranged mages in the game and lacks any defensive abilities outside of a MS boost. He's also really hard to split push as because most other melee split pushers can just button mash while you have to actually hold your abilities and hit every skillshot or just die, why do you think Wunder did so bad on Ryze in finals?

P.S. All the real blue gamers do QE(wait)WQEQ

FriendIy MonkeyJan 1, 20201 votes

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He requires insane positioning as he is one of the lowest ranged mages in the game and lacks any defensive abilities outside of a MS boost. He's also really hard to split push as because most other melee split pushers can just button mash while you have to actually hold your abilities and hit every skillshot or just die, why do you think Wunder did so bad on Ryze in finals?

P.S. All the real blue gamers do QE(wait)WQEQ

I'm pretty sure you still do QEQWQEQ because if you time it right the w will root while q is in mid air, however it only works at longer range so idk

dont botherJan 2, 20202 votes

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I'm pretty sure you still do QEQWQEQ because if you time it right the w will root while q is in mid air, however it only works at longer range so idk

RanmiakuJan 2, 20204 votes

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QWQEQ is difficult

But you have to headbutt your keyboard just right or it doesnt work lmao :P

General Esdeath Jan 1, 202010 votes

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Most skillshot reliant champion in the game.

Ah yes, with all 2 skill shots he has a hard time hitting them with his short CD dash and a move speed buff on his ult.

ProphetOfDravenJan 1, 20206 votes

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Ah yes, with all 2 skill shots he has a hard time hitting them with his short CD dash and a move speed buff on his ult.

e46 FanaticJan 3, 20201 votes

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Ah yes, with all 2 skill shots he has a hard time hitting them with his short CD dash and a move speed buff on his ult.

it starts off at like 16 sec cd what you mean short? lol it doesn't even do damage, probably every other dash in the game does more and is on shorter CD than this one, people be trippin...

General Esdeath Jan 3, 20201 votes

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lol it doesn't even do damage

You do realize it lets him reposition for his Q right? it also gives him spellvamp.

e46 FanaticJan 4, 20201 votes

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You do realize it lets him reposition for his Q right? it also gives him spellvamp.

well obviously I realize more about the ability than you do... You're the one literally making stuff up about it blindly as if you've never played the champ or looked at its stats lol. Maybe if you knew anything about aatrox you wouldn't have such a hard time dodging his only skillshot and his only dash that does no damage and has one of the longest dash coolodowns at start in the game

General Esdeath Jan 4, 20201 votes

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well obviously I realize more about the ability than you do... You're the one literally making stuff up about it blindly as if you've never played the champ or looked at its stats lol. Maybe if you knew anything about aatrox you wouldn't have such a hard time dodging his only skillshot and his only dash that does no damage and has one of the longest dash coolodowns at start in the game

Ah yes, now that I know what his E does I have dodged 100% of his Q's in every game! That's it, by jove! We all just need to learn what Ezreal does and then we can dodge every Q!

e46 FanaticJan 4, 20201 votes

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Ah yes, now that I know what his E does I have dodged 100% of his Q's in every game! That's it, by jove! We all just need to learn what Ezreal does and then we can dodge every Q!

yeah that's actually how it works... Are you telling me that you rely solely on reaction time? Hell even faker only dodges so well simply because he knows the abilities of his opponent... If you know the opponent champ well, then you know their next move, Even if you Dont know their next move you could just bait it out, noob aint ya?

General Esdeath Jan 4, 20201 votes

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yeah that's actually how it works... Are you telling me that you rely solely on reaction time? Hell even faker only dodges so well simply because he knows the abilities of his opponent... If you know the opponent champ well, then you know their next move, Even if you Dont know their next move you could just bait it out, noob aint ya?

I can't tell if this is bait or not tbh

e46 FanaticJan 4, 20201 votes

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I can't tell if this is bait or not tbh

was an honest sidestep tip is all tbh lol, you realize the enemies are going to cast so why not just do a predictive sidestep/bait it? like if you see a lee sin walking into your lane at you, are you going to walk a straight line or go ahead and sidestep cause you Know he's going to Q...

I illustrateJan 2, 20204 votes

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Few people can play him right.

Most skillshot reliant champion in the game.

Aatrox...? AurelionSol Leblanc Lux Neeko Orianna Taliyah Velkoz Xerath Zoe I mean ok. This list is just mages because that was the first thing that came to mind but even an Aatrox can win trades without landing q sweet spot. These champs need to land their abilities to play the game in general.(on hit neeko excluded)

QuZeed YTJan 2, 20201 votes

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Aatrox...? I mean ok. This list is just mages because that was the first thing that came to mind but even an Aatrox can win trades without landing q sweet spot. These champs need to land their abilities to play the game in general.(on hit neeko excluded)

When someone mention mages who actually have the easiest skillshots to land as some hard to play champions...

DiveMasterJan 2, 20202 votes

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When someone mention mages who actually have the easiest skillshots to land as some hard to play champions...

Try to play Aurelion

Hemulen MagiJan 2, 20208 votes

I see people saying Kalista, but I remember when she came out and I found that I could win teamfights by buying a Runaan's Hurricane and then shift-clicking on my fountain to perma-kite without even looking at the screen... She may be undertuned now, but she definitely does not have the hardest kit. I think the honor of most challenging kit/playstyle goes to Nidalee or Azir.

BeersteinJan 2, 20202 votes

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I see people saying Kalista, but I remember when she came out and I found that I could win teamfights by buying a Runaan's Hurricane and then shift-clicking on my fountain to perma-kite without even looking at the screen... She may be undertuned now, but she definitely does not have the hardest kit. I think the honor of most challenging kit/playstyle goes to Nidalee or Azir.

Kalista can also rebind her keys via custom editing the bindings file to make her easy (which makes non-ranged champs hard to play but whatever)

So really it depends on how much of a Kalista MAIN you want to be I think xD. She just requires a different toolkit, and the fact that Riot isn't great about keybindings doesn't help.

If I'm playing Kalista I'd literally swap my key bindings file each time I picked her. Definitely not ideal, but I do think she's a champion worth maining for her unique kit if unique gameplay is important to you.

ChickenWrapJan 1, 20205 votes

I wouldn't say Shsvo is the hardest but he's up there. Kit kit is simple but optimizing it is crazy because there's just so much you can do and so much you need to think ahead about. He's a champion that requires you to not only play well with, but also out-play well on.

DuskDaUmbreonJan 2, 20204 votes

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I wouldn't say Shsvo is the hardest but he's up there. Kit kit is simple but optimizing it is crazy because there's just so much you can do and so much you need to think ahead about. He's a champion that requires you to not only play well with, but also out-play well on.

The hardest part of playing Shaco is not falling asleep while playing him.

It's a very difficult skill to master, only shared with Heimer.

ACriticalThinkerJan 2, 20203 votes

Gonna have to say, whatever I am playing at the time. Same goes for champ balance. Any champ I play against is broken and my champ needs buffs. It is known.

ModJikkerJan 3, 20202 votes

Janna

Pressing E on your ADC is hard :^)

( I am a support main and reserve the right to poke fun at my own class)

Jokes aside, for me personally, I'd probably say Draven just because of learning how to properly micromanage those darn axes. If you go to Riot's official rating (which is now 1-3 instead of 1-10), some of the most difficult are Kindred, LeBlanc, Ivern (surprisingly), Cass, Azir, ASol, Thresh, Zoe, and more. Some of those listed are easy for me, some are harder, some I don't like so honestly it probably comes down to the player.

Trias000Jan 2, 20201 votes

MasterYi - I have no idea how people do well with him. I always get cced, focused down, and end up 0/10 or something. Lately I had a game where I got lucky in the early game, got 4 kills... and I was still useless as fuck.

Caitlyn FTWJan 2, 20207 votes

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- I have no idea how people do well with him. I always get cced, focused down, and end up 0/10 or something. Lately I had a game where I got lucky in the early game, got 4 kills... and I was still useless as fuck.

u wut?