Why nobody talks about kassadin?

RaQqa·12/30/2019, 12:59:55 PM·15 votes·8,529 views

How in the world is he balanced. He is like old Kayle , but with less bad match ups, because his only bad match ups are Talon Zed which are critical to him and Pantheon Kled which are rarely seen at mid. If u want to shut down kassadin entirely from the game u can't even roam. U just go wherever he is and kill him whole game just to not let him get farm and any kills. When u have around 2 lvls or 3 lvls advantage u can feel save, and just win the game. Otherwise on same gold terms, he will outscale just anyone with 3 items.

The funny thing is, whenever u want to shutdown kassadin anytime from the game. U must be prepared for 2v1 lane, his jungler WILL GANK u a lot ,because kassadin is a HYPER CARRY, and he will whine to him that he can carry a game later xD. So if u pick CassiopeiaSyndra and tries to punish him early, u will be dead by the jungler , u don't have any mobility.

His late game is the most unbalanced and most snowballing in the whole game. There is almost no counter to it, he got his R like every 2s, often zhnoya to avoid critical cc. His mana which should be somehow his weakness is not a weakness. Kassadin is not even running out of mana because every time he press R he kills someone and get some mana back with pressence of mind + He gets free 500 mana from it which is absoletly broken.

Right now he became god tier mid, and has 52,5% winrate plat +, I see him almost every game, played or banned. If my mid first picked ap, and someone have picked kassadin after it, then It's almost gg. If jungler don't punish kassadin and team actually don't wins the game fast I can just ff 20 to don't waste time. He was op before, but he wasn't played that often, so I didn't even care about him, but when u see him everygame right now because some meta sites says he is op, poeple instalock him. It's sad for my eyes, but this is how this game works right now. Everyone wants to win badly, so they just take the best meta picks possible.

-5 ms nerf is likeIrelia meme. I think that his late game must be tonned down to the ground and instead he should get better early. For example nerfing his R, but giving him actuall cooldown to his E and some shifts to the dmg. I don't know if it would even work. Just nerfing him hard like kayle is not good because he will be unplayable. Kayle after nerfs is weak in my opinion, whenever I see her, She is wrecked to the whole 16 , and after 16 which should be supposed to be godlike, she is still wrecked xD. I don't want that for kassadin.

The idea of Hard late game carries is just bad, It's like U MUST FINISH THE GAME UNTIL 25 minutes or u can surrender, no matter how much u wrecked someone on lane. Even Jax with shojin, nasus, and any champion that is supposed to be "late game" never were such a threat to the team like fresh reworked kayle, and kassadin in late game, It's totally dumb. I don't even mention Akali Irelia before nerfs, because well they were broken entire game xD

What are your thoughts about kassadin ?

49 Comments

Charmy Bird12/30/2019, 4:27:13 PM3 votes

League has hit peak broken since s9 and preseason is just pure clown certificate. There's so much shit happening thats why noones talking about kass

The Highest Noon12/30/2019, 4:59:52 PM3 votes

Nobody is talking about Kassadin because everybody already talked about Kassadin years ago when he was infinitely stronger than he is now, and understand that after nerf after nerf after nerf there won't be any more substantial changes to him until he's reworked, which won't happen until probably late Season 10/Season 11.

ProphetOfDraven12/30/2019, 3:17:31 PM3 votes

Kassadin is literally an unplayable champion against good opponents but he still gets nerfed every patch.

anatasjhsh0112/30/2019, 3:58:12 PM2 votes

lol he is not weak what are you guys talking about ??? he is getting nerfed next patch

KnightOfEloHell12/30/2019, 3:56:33 PM2 votes

Lol Kass, he's so weak. Even if the Kass is good, Kass is useless till late late late game. It's actually fun to steamroll a Kass. Gg ez

I illustrate12/30/2019, 4:33:10 PM2 votes

While we’re on this topic I really don’t think he’s that potent unless you have no cc or he has a yuumi. He can still be bursted and cc’d pretty hard and I doubt he’s using zhonyas to nullify lulu polymorph or smth. I think he needs a nerf but I honestly dunno if it should be to his ult. I’m honestly more in favor of seeing his q shield nerfed or mana costs upped on everything else so he has to back more often early on even with tear and w. Anything to prolong his scaling would be better than to completely dumpster his late game. IMO

Quality Content12/30/2019, 7:25:27 PM1 votes

They'll hit his numbers, the meta will shift and he'll go back to being weak. He'll get buffed slightly, be balanced for a while, the meta will shift again and he'll go back to being OP. That is the cycle of Kassadin. It never changes.

Kadexe12/30/2019, 8:39:54 PM1 votes

I mean... most people are already aware that he's overpowered. He has a nerf next patch.

XJ9999999999999912/30/2019, 9:04:29 PM1 votes

hes busted because of that new 100-500 mana gain rune and the 20% max mana on kill

rosès12/30/2019, 9:34:16 PM1 votes

Yes he's very broken,the reason you don't see people complain about him it's because when you see him in your average gold game he tends to do bad,and everyone here it's gold lol

Summoner SpeII12/30/2019, 9:36:29 PM1 votes

step 1: play an ad champion mid (gangplank, zed, talon, yasuo) step 2: easy win profit???? he's already nerfed lol

BLACK REALM GOD12/30/2019, 10:27:31 PM1 votes

what's a kassadin?[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Thefrostyviking12/30/2019, 11:33:02 PM1 votes

I have no idea what to think about Kassadin

Sometimes i see one who gets through lane safely and.....does nothing except die afterwards.

Sometimes i see one get wrecked in lane then he vanishes into a corner somewhere and suddenly super saiyan Kassadin takes the field, murdering anyone he comes across very quickly, impossible to run from and a triple is the smallest amount of kills he´ll take from any fight.

My experiences are inconclusive and i understand nothing, Kassadin is a mystery i cannot comprehend.

Neptunia xoxo12/30/2019, 11:39:33 PM1 votes

Because in high play hes not as strong. You can't just first pick him and you can't just yolo pick him without using him as a counter pick. Legit if you pick Kassadin before they pick mid you just vs Zed or Talon or anything AD and wonder why you can't just afk the game without getting banned.

Garen is adopted12/30/2019, 11:50:18 PM1 votes

Because any ad champion with a dash or any kind of mobility win against him?

wtfmyninja12/31/2019, 4:36:51 AM1 votes

lol kass is a garbage champ. quit qq

consensuaI clown12/31/2019, 5:41:26 AM1 votes

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How in the world is he balanced. He is like old Kayle , but with less bad match ups, because his only bad match ups are Talon Zed which are critical to him and Pantheon Kled which are rarely seen at mid. If u want to shut down kassadin entirely from the game u can't even roam. U just go wherever he is and kill him whole game just to not let him get farm and any kills. When u have around 2 lvls or 3 lvls advantage u can feel save, and just win the game. Otherwise on same gold terms, he will outscale just anyone with 3 items.

The funny thing is, whenever u want to shutdown kassadin anytime from the game. U must be prepared for 2v1 lane, his jungler WILL GANK u a lot ,because kassadin is a HYPER CARRY, and he will whine to him that he can carry a game later xD. So if u pick CassiopeiaSyndra and tries to punish him early, u will be dead by the jungler , u don't have any mobility.

His late game is the most unbalanced and most snowballing in the whole game. There is almost no counter to it, he got his R like every 2s, often zhnoya to avoid critical cc. His mana which should be somehow his weakness is not a weakness. Kassadin is not even running out of mana because every time he press R he kills someone and get some mana back with pressence of mind + He gets free 500 mana from it which is absoletly broken.

Right now he became god tier mid, and has 52,5% winrate plat +, I see him almost every game, played or banned. If my mid first picked ap, and someone have picked kassadin after it, then It's almost gg. If jungler don't punish kassadin and team actually don't wins the game fast I can just ff 20 to don't waste time. He was op before, but he wasn't played that often, so I didn't even care about him, but when u see him everygame right now because some meta sites says he is op, poeple instalock him. It's sad for my eyes, but this is how this game works right now. Everyone wants to win badly, so they just take the best meta picks possible.

-5 ms nerf is likeIrelia meme. I think that his late game must be tonned down to the ground and instead he should get better early. For example nerfing his R, but giving him actuall cooldown to his E and some shifts to the dmg. I don't know if it would even work. Just nerfing him hard like kayle is not good because he will be unplayable. Kayle after nerfs is weak in my opinion, whenever I see her, She is wrecked to the whole 16 , and after 16 which should be supposed to be godlike, she is still wrecked xD. I don't want that for kassadin.

The idea of Hard late game carries is just bad, It's like U MUST FINISH THE GAME UNTIL 25 minutes or u can surrender, no matter how much u wrecked someone on lane. Even Jax with shojin, nasus, and any champion that is supposed to be "late game" never were such a threat to the team like fresh reworked kayle, and kassadin in late game, It's totally dumb. I don't even mention Akali Irelia before nerfs, because well they were broken entire game xD

What are your thoughts about kassadin ?

He will get nerfs soon, don't worry. The only problem is riot will want to keep his identity as the only 'hyper carry assassin' in the game so they will probably nerf other things but late game, just like they did to Ryze and Kayle.

Ms Cougar12/31/2019, 9:11:20 PM1 votes

He loses lane very hard to anything AD. Not just Zed and Talon. Riven, Jayce, even Tristana breaks him early (and then keeps up in scaling too).

His pre 6 is so weak it's laughable. His sheild lets him scrape by vs ap mages, so he can get out of lane only 30cs behind. He just suffers from the same issues as yi and vayne, (or Nasus in Elo's where adc's can't kite or buy qss and supports can't peel), in that he becomes a win condition on his own come lategame.

The real issue is, like Yi and Vayne, the win is had by punishing him early and actually not jerking round and using the advantage to win early. His high winrate is in large part because he can be kept as a counterpick to people he can surivive against in lane (AP mages and AP assassins like Kat), and then it put a ton of pressure on the other team to win before he ticks into godhood.

I illustrate12/30/2019, 4:29:38 PM1 votes

-5ms actually does make a difference in ganks and situations where said champ wants to run you down. If he doesn’t have mana but thinks he can kill you he is now a bit less likely to get that kill. Movement speed affects everything pretty much. Could even miss extra cs because he can’t walk to it quite fast enough. It’s not a big nerf and it’s not enough to can him obviously, but... it is undeniably a nerf that will genuinely have an effect sometimes. On irelia it absolutely was and it made her a bit easier to escape when she didn’t have minions to dash to.

Raiyza12/30/2019, 5:40:06 PM1 votes

I think he needs a rework. His kit is just outdated. Against good opponents, he won't be able to get ahead and he blows up in teamfights.

ShadowRogue76812/30/2019, 6:25:29 PM1 votes

Is weak

Hong Kong Annie12/30/2019, 6:39:04 PM1 votes

He isn't talked about because old league players remember the near 100% pick ban of Kassadin. And compared to that everything is balanced.

Minimac200012/30/2019, 7:08:07 PM1 votes

Kayle Vayne Vladimir you can copy word for word the majority of this post and it still applies to all of them. Tldr it is really hard to balance late game oneshot everything champs so they are not well balanced