With the possibility of 45 CDR, trickster (for what it does) seems to have too low of a CD. He can spam it every 4.4 seconds.
Thoughts? I think this should have a longer CD. Maybe reduce the CD on a kill/assist to reward a good play.
Fizz should be vulnerable if he burns it to close the gap. ATM he doesn't really have to worry as he can use it again pretty fast.
give it the cd of vlad's pool.
I personally feel its too low too, Vlad is the only one that is nearly the same and his is vastly longer.
But then again, I don't feel like dealing with people that defend Fizz. People argue that its a large part of his damage. Question is why is an escape, and an entirely invincible one attached to damage? Vlads barely even hurts you, why does Fizz? Remove that damage and either add it to a mix of his other abilities or add the power into something else of his kit. Make his E solely an escape and give it an actual escape cooldown, its basically 2 flashes in one, so it shouldn't be 4 seconds.
Personally I feel like it should be 8 seconds even with 45% CDR.
Just make it unaffected by CDR, done.
Fizz nerfs? Bleh.
His E doesn't need nerfs for obvious reasons.
It has a huge mana cost, which means if he spams it he'll go oom soon.
Fizz doesn't build many mana items, so he'll still go oom.
Mages already have a tough time getting max CDR. Fizz rarely gets full CDR unless he buys items that aren't great on him.
Fizz is already a decent assassin, why nerf him when he's pretty much fine?
I've been saying this for months. Diana has a 18 second cooldown for a slow and pull yet FIZZ can jump around every 5 seconds
I can't stand the dang fish. Being untargetable or dashing 80% of the time + zhonyas and flash is too much. He gets ahead and it's gg.
I recently came up with an idea of doubling the original cooldown, but halving it if Fizz strikes a unit when landing. That way, using the skill defensively would be punished.
I main fizz mid and honestly, this only is true late game...when I get nuked and focused anyways after I grab my one or if I'm lucky two kills.
And something that a lot of people are overlooking is that he is SUPPOSE to be slippery and annoying (hence the name Playful/Trickster and).
He's an assassin so it goes with his kit and its not hard to punish players for using it poorly. If you want an honest opinion of a nerf is would be to increase the CD on his ult to around 45 secs (with 45% cdr). I can fish someone every 30 secs end game and even I find it ridiculous with the large dmg increase (20%) plus thunderlords and Lundens Echo. His E tho, just annoying, I wouldn't even say op, plenty of other characters have a longer dash on a similar CD its just not a character that you max out your CD on so it goes un-noticed.
A reduction of CD on kill or assist is also a really good idea (assuming longer CD). He is an assassin, and he should nuke and leave. Only coming back if he does a good job.
Just weighing in.
Good ol' troll poll, another thread about it.
No doubt the most toxic part of his low counterplay kit.
Urchin strike (his q) is pretty toxic too, but its the troll poll that makes him bullshit.
Q in, auto with enhanced aa from W, E+Q to get out.
One of the worst problems with Fizz is his low cooldowns, most assassins do burst damage, and have limited gap closing. With Fizz, if he gets on you, you cant get away, he dose as much damage as other assassins, and dose a much better job of sustained damage than most. His passive and troll poll make him difficult to focus down too.
Fizz isnt healthy, never has been, compare to Talon. Talon maybe instagibs one squishy, has a one way targeted gap closer, one escape mechanic on his ult, longer cooldowns for a longer time between burst. Yet, Talon can still be a very good assassin. If you get in too deep on Talon, and you used your ult to initiate... your screwed, price of being Talon. Better hope you can walk out of there, or your flash is up.
Fizz, oh you got in too deep, Zhonya active, Q out, troll poll, q out.
Fizz is like LeBlanc, hard to balance, poor kit design with too much escape for the damage it gets to do.
or ... give a horrible mana cost , 200 mana seems to be balanced .
