"Top ward my red please!"

DarwinTheory··5 votes·4,642 views

Duly done in the name of teamplay.

Now 18 minutes pass, I'm still under my tower patiently CS'ng whilst the enemy counter harasses me under my tower and the enemy jungler steals a herald. I have yet to have a visit from my jungler. I may even get a dive from the enemy mid laner shortly.....

How commonly does this scenario happen to other top laners or is my account just cursed to suffer fools who don't want free kills?

25 Comments

Subdue5 votes

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other. The reality is that the position of the lane is not the only thing to consider when deciding whether or not to gank. Some other things your junlger might be looking at:

  1. Your HP vs your Opponent's HP. If you might die if you try to help, I'm not ganking.
  2. The number of minions piled up at your tower. If you are going to lose 2 minion waves worth of XP and gold, or worse hanging me out to dry when I come, I'm not ganking.
  3. Your mana/cooldowns. If you don't have the mana to contribute to a gank, I'm not ganking.
  4. Your time and lane management. If when I get to the top side jungle you're not in position for a successful gank, I'm not ganking.

And then there are even more reasons that have nothing to do with you for why I chose not to gank your lane:

  1. I want to be near an important Dragon to contest it.
  2. We have a high scaling ADC against a lane bully comp and I want to make sure our ADC gets into the late game.
  3. The enemy jungler is camping you and they're a stronger duelist than me - If the two of us are unlikely to beat the two of them, I'm not ganking unless I 100% know the enemy jungler is far away when I'm close enough to gank.

So thanks for the ward. You did it to give your team a better chance to win. If I'm staying away from your lane, it doesn't mean I have some personal vendetta against you, and it's not because I'm trying to lose. I've judged that my resources are better spent elsewhere, and I'm trying to give our team a better chance to win too.

Saezio1 votes

It's also the champ a top laner has picked. If neither of the following conditions are met, top doesn't get a gank cause it's better for the team

  1. Good CC on top laner to set up an EASY gank.(preferably JG gets the kill)
  2. Carry champion that can splitpush and win the game(trying to gift kill to top)

Like, if top picks mundo or garen or something like that, there is seriously no reason to gank.

preternatural4 votes

YOU SEE people wonder why i am not gonna be nice with these junglers anymore.

Anatera2 votes

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YOU SEE people wonder why i am not gonna be nice with these junglers anymore.

What are you babbling about?

preternatural1 votes

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What are you babbling about?

read the op, genius.

Anatera2 votes

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read the op, genius.

Oh sorry. I didn't know the OP was talking about you and specifically you. Who are you btw? Are you famous?

preternatural1 votes

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Oh sorry. I didn't know the OP was talking about you and specifically you. Who are you btw? Are you famous?

that's every game i play top lane, i'm 1v2 lol. so yeah OP might as well be talking about me.

Anatera2 votes

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that's every game i play top lane, i'm 1v2 lol. so yeah OP might as well be talking about me.

Sure, sure, you're very special

preternatural1 votes

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Sure, sure, you're very special

it's every game kid, i'm playing 1v2, allied jungler is somehow dying to chickens, and enemy jungler is still taking all the drakes despite being in my lane half the time. sorry, not sorry, people can go stalk whatever replays they want and see it for themselves. they'll likely get triggered by matchmaking too.

Anatera2 votes

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it's every game kid, i'm playing 1v2, allied jungler is somehow dying to chickens, and enemy jungler is still taking all the drakes despite being in my lane half the time. sorry, not sorry, people can go stalk whatever replays they want and see it for themselves. they'll likely get triggered by matchmaking too.

Yes, that's what I said. You're very special.

5050BS3 votes

Ya I dont ward it. Ill stand by it until the ADC heads to lane. If the enemy jungler was going to invade I would have seen it by then.

Also if Im a Red side I REALLY need my wards

Saezio1 votes

Maybe you usually play tanks? So you don't need resources. I mean, jungler should gank the place that will most likely carry the game for him. If you are playing carry top laners, IDK why you don't get ganks.

Garen is adopted1 votes

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Maybe you usually play tanks? So you don't need resources. I mean, jungler should gank the place that will most likely carry the game for him. If you are playing carry top laners, IDK why you don't get ganks.

Yeah, Teemo and Irelia are truly definition of tanks, that is why my jg is foing gromp and not bother contesting renekton trying to dive me every 15s

Tr4shB4NSYST3M2 votes

Well theres your problem. Ganking a champ like Renekton is always risking an enemy double kill.

The thigh guy3 votes

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Yeah, Teemo and Irelia are truly definition of tanks, that is why my jg is foing gromp and not bother contesting renekton trying to dive me every 15s

Renekton and illaoi are two of if not THE worst champions to gank against.

Garen is adopted1 votes

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Renekton and illaoi are two of if not THE worst champions to gank against.

let me guess, the champions you do not want to gank are also Darius, Nasus, Urgot, Jax, Kayle, Malphite, Kennen, Gnar, Poppy, Pantheon, Garen, and I feel like there are more 15 that do not really comes in my mind right now, but i gurantee the jungler will also do not know they exist.

Saezio1 votes

I said "maybe", and I also said "if you play carry idk why u don't get ganks"

Just offering what in my mind is a possible explanation to why OP doesn't get many ganks in a large sample of games

Lauchmelder1 votes

Does it matter tho? Come up and collect your free kill that I can set up for you due to my superior CC. I don't need or want the kill really, but why let some good food go to waste?

Saezio1 votes

If you got CC SURE. If you play garen or mundo tho.....

Troll Slaiyer1 votes

when u play the game, theres a good chance u will have teammates like that. many people play this game remember?

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Lucky you. I wish I could get my junglers to stop fucking coming top lane. Like I don't need help from some idiot that doesn't understand that 2 waves of minions do a million damage or me having no mana means I shouldn't be taking fights. I'm perfectly capable of killing idiot enemies on my own and if not, I'm fine farming under tower until the oceans dry up.

The Kombinator1 votes

More times, than i care to count. Excpet, that i'm botlane, and it happens on bot. I pull, or ward, then 15 minute under turret, and nothing. Even enemy jungler comes for a dive.

People should understand, that even challengers lose lane sometimes. But a nice gank can make up to it easy. On botlane i often buy control ward to bait the enemy when jungler pings, that he is coming. Still don't get it why that tactic isn't used. Support goes around, place control ward, and jungler comes in when enemy protects their ward. Like 99% of the times they come on me hard.

Same could work on top. Control ward into bush, and if not warded, then jungler moves in. If warded, then jungler waits a second. Enemy either forced to retreat, or risk a gank.

Jennifer4201 votes

i always cover the river to make sure no invade happens. but i tend to safe the ward for myself. unless i know i get pushed in hardcore.

Rákãñ1 votes

Over warding red, why not just ward the wall next to blue? That why you can see if the jg ganking you early or going to invade his jungle? Smack right in the middle of the wall give you vision of both pathways.

ShyImagoghnar1 votes

ward the river or enemy chicken camp, not the buff

warding the river/chickens gives your jungler time to adjust their path in response to an invade

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