Yuumi proves how utterly clueless this forum is.

DarwinTheory·May 18, 2019·88 votes·20,049 views

It's insane so many of you post about a freshly released champ needing buffs and being useless.

I've had a few games with Yuumi now and she's fantastic and has made a massive difference to my team and the enemy. She's Hella strong and has great game impact across the entire roster. She is a proper support in every sense of the word and if anything too strong.

It's going to be so sad when the same people flaming her for being weak come back here a month from now crying about how she's making Riven/Yasuo/Akali/tryndamere unkilleable.

Mark.

My.

Words.

117 Comments

DynikusMay 18, 201944 votes

New champion with unique playstyle gets released
People don't know how to play them yet
Champion has terrible winrate as a result
Champion gets huge hotfix buffs so the everyman has a high winrate
People learn how to actually use them
Champion is broken for months

Every Damn Time

GlaricionMay 18, 201915 votes

I would argue that Yuumi needed the initial hotfix and was too weak, even w/ the new playstyle and people auto-picking flash on her when it is niche on Yuumi.

Unlike most "late game champions", Yuumi actually does have a weak laning phase (though Yuumi's are getting better at psychological warfare w/ the whole 'invulnerable w/ 10hp' thing).

Probably will see something like a 54% WR after 100 games, 62 after 200 on Lolalytics (WR/time stats are not available just yet).

Yuumi'll have to be carefully watched during future preseasons though as any increases to the average game time will result in a gigantic indirect buff on her, and vice-versa.

WolfeurMay 19, 20197 votes

I would argue that Yuumi needed the initial hotfix and was too weak

Adding to that: Yuumi was probably a tad too weak number-wise, but her kit has proven crazy strong in some situations. She probably has the best poke in lane (even though the botlane is extremely vulnerable to ganks), is pretty much impossible to outrun, and can heal and shield everyone all the time in late game teamfights.

Also, item 3174 is just so strong on her, it's crazy.

LordGeovanniMay 20, 20191 votes

heal and sheild everyone at the same time??? you sure you not taking Items for Champion kit. item 3107 item 3190

WolfeurMay 21, 20191 votes

heal and shield everyone all the time

LordGeovanniMay 22, 20191 votes

thats not what was there before just because i didnt quote it. All the time still doesnt work Her shield and Heals both have long ass cooldowns

WolfeurMay 22, 20191 votes

Healing with 2 charges with 8s cooldown, shield on passive, aery proc, athene's heal. That's a lot.

Edit: add Redemption to add as well.

LordGeovanniMay 22, 20191 votes

Yuumi is either Building raw ap or that heal is in no way effective no matter how much its up. Yuumi's passive shield is puny not worth going for especially with how trash her defense is and how bad her auto is.

WolfeurMay 22, 20191 votes

I've had great success playing her like that.

TengenToppaGnarMay 19, 20192 votes

{quoted}

New champion with unique playstyle gets released

People don't know how to play them yet

Champion has terrible winrate as a result

Champion gets huge hotfix buffs so the everyman has a high winrate

People learn how to actually use them

Champion is broken for months

Every Damn Time

she's not broken. She's just really janky. Has potential, but often wasted. By herself she can do alright, a score of 5/2/28 Speaks volumes, but in the end, she can only be as good as her allies. She can't carry, she makes carry possible. Currently she needs a tweak, If anything an aoe splash on her Q and she'll be in a pretty purrfect spot. You gave it to Kayle, TWICE at that, and she's a horrendous monster late-game.... Yuumi... isn't, just problematic if you get caught out by someone she's attached too.

Tim From WorkMay 19, 20193 votes

It’s almost like enchanters by design carry by enabling their team to carry

TengenToppaGnarMay 20, 20191 votes

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It’s almost like enchanters by design carry by enabling their team to carry

GASP, how did you know! Poorly timed sarcasm, I know how enchanters work. Its the fact that she's more dependent on her team being competent than other Enchanters. Its easy to turn a game on its head as Taric or Sona. Taric laughs at your fed Hecarim, no you cannot kill Taric 1v1 Hec, he's too fabulous! Annnnnd Hec's dead. I don't see Yuumi doing that, like... ever.

C0l0urlessMay 18, 201919 votes

Most of the threads complaining about how weak she is got made before her hotfix buff.

Kai GuyMay 18, 201918 votes

item 3174 > item 3504 item 3107 .

Mark my words.

Don't take the boards to seriously first week of a release. Some Players literally complained that Yasuo was underpowered on release. Most of the season people considered Nami a low tier pick. Hell I still get flack for playing Bard .

There are a lot of cookie cutter players who don't realize the error of never adapting builds or playstyles. its like a formula. Look at some folks games and you see the patterns. AD Assassin = rush item 3147 . Enchanter = item 3504 ADC = item 3031 Mage = item 3285 .

If champions don't preform well its not the item or runes the player used. its just a "shit champion". Very little considerations given to the kits needed and adjustments almost never made per game.

Ever lost because no one picked up item 3123 item 3165 in a game the enemy has 2 outta 3 for DrMundo Vladimir Warwick ?

JonesybonesMay 18, 20194 votes

its because alot of these players are not diamond.

Kai GuyMay 18, 20198 votes

Most player are not Diamond. Its a small % of the player base.

JonesybonesMay 18, 20192 votes

yes i just said that. Why are you saying what i just said?

Kai GuyMay 18, 20195 votes

It does not take a Diamond level of skill to purchase the correct items or use a champions kit properly. To set that as the bar for players is disingenuous to a majority of the ladder.

JonesybonesMay 18, 20191 votes

No but to play a champion at its highest lvl of play you'd have to be diamond or higher. And Thats when champions start to seem balanced. And should be balanced around that.

Kai GuyMay 18, 20192 votes

The core game design philosophy behind games with kits on different power scales is Imbalance. The concept is called Perfect imbalance and it creates a constantly shifting state of game meta. As a Dev to make this work you have to always provide tools to your players to deal with what ever pops up.

This means you don't just balance around a fraction of less then 5% of your players. Outliers always need to be targeted regardless of what MMR they are creating issues. Blatent smurfs should be ignored but something that's crushing games by players at by others who are at the same level of skill are problems for game health. Look, with a rooster this big, some champions get made just to teach mechanics and be simple to play. To low of a ceiling results in lower MMR being able to preform consistent best case usage.

Balancing only around when you see champions hitting their consistent best case is bad game designer philosophy. You need to always try to consider what is the realistic expectation. The advantage riot has is a massive # of kits to play with. There's a reason they try to low key discourage OTPS.

JonesybonesMay 18, 20191 votes

if you buff something weak in low elo it becomes broken in high elo. If you nerf something in low elo it becomes useless in high elo. Thats pretty much my point.

EleshakaiMay 19, 20195 votes

Depends on how you buff it. Some buffs or nerfs affect low level play more than high. For example, if a champ is weak in low level play but balanced at high, you can buff it by making its unique strengths more easily accessible to the average player. Or if a champ is too strong low but not strong enough high, you can add some synergies that are harder to use...

Kai GuyMay 20, 20193 votes

^ Well you saved me the effort of a response. GJ mate. Thanks.

revliledpembrokeMay 20, 20191 votes

If champions don't preform well

I think you mean "_perform _ well."

Kai GuyMay 20, 20191 votes

Nah, this is the attitude of cookie cutter players. Champion with cookie build for the class does bad? Champions fault not the players. Despite the fact their items might be complete shit and runes don't have good synergy with the kit.

Blame is on kit, not build or how they played that game. Champion is at fault, Riot is at fault, Teammates are at fault. Never any personal accountability.

I hate this attitude btw.

Ahri BakaMay 18, 201912 votes

Boards were never taken seriously and they can never be which is why Rioters just ignore us sadly and you know , Yuumi wasn't the first champion to prove that , it was Aatrox rework , everyone complained about him being useless, clunky , Riot had to hotfix him , they kept asking to revert blah blah blah , a week later , NERF AATROX WHY THE F*** YOU OVERBUFFED HIM ?

Edit : just a fun fact for those who are sayinfg 35% winrate is horrible for a champion that was just released Just for your information Zoe had 42% winrate on release , imagine , " Zoe on Release " she was an overloaded champion , even now she is still called cancer despite losing a lot of stuff she had when she was a new champion like her Aoe on passive.

Kai GuyMay 18, 20194 votes

Dog, Folks complained about Yasuo being weak on release for the first few days.

C0l0urlessMay 18, 20193 votes

She got the 35 % WR after her hotfix, before it was under 30 %.

Ahri BakaMay 18, 20191 votes

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She got the 35 % WR after her hotfix, before it was under 30 %.

We are talking about the current Yuumi , after the Hotfix , it surely helped her.

C0l0urlessMay 19, 20193 votes

If we are talking about people complaining how weak Yuumi is, post hotfix Yuumi doesn't really matter, since most of the complaint threads got made before she got the buff.

I also feel that it's unfair to blame Aatrox's overbuffing on the boards, while simultaneously claiming Riot doesn't listen to them.

SanKakUMay 19, 20192 votes

To be fair, Aatrox players didn't ask for a buff they wanted a partial reversion.

Tahminatrix May 18, 201911 votes

^^^^

I keep saying she is good with champions who have amazing scaling but are forced to build atleast slightly tanky or have trouble sticking to enemies.

Imagine a full ap yuumi giving a riven 100 + ad late game.

2Charmnot2CharmMay 18, 201910 votes

Are you forgetting the fact she's been hotfix buffed already?

YaraUwUMay 18, 20197 votes

Shes really bad and shes gonna be really bad until riot overbuffs the shit out of her.

Mark.

My.

Words.

Anu3isIIMay 18, 20192 votes

They buffed her recently and I saw people already claiming that she feels too powerful.

FiddlezMay 18, 20193 votes

her w.r has plateaued at 41%. Id say she isnt too powerful.

5StackUltOneShotMay 18, 20196 votes

Yea I agree, I had a Yuumi on me and I was a fed Irelia.

First pentakill with Irelia ive ever had

Original SinMay 18, 20196 votes

its because she got hot fix buffs

ShiroyashayamiMay 19, 20195 votes

Every pro player says that she is garbage, but a silver like you knows the best. Boards is full of people who defend Yuumi. I don't know why. She is useless af. It literally feels like 4v5. And every match against her is free elo. People should stop playing her on ranked, because she sucks for soloQ and should never be picked in soloQ.

GlaricionMay 19, 20192 votes

Pros back in the day also said that Riven(?) and Garen were just flat out bad champions. With a bit of work they became solo queue staples.

Pro and normal play are two entirely different things, and those pros are probably streamers trying to get them clicks, hence exaggerating their points (which they probably barely thought about) to try and get more attention.

Yuumi was a bit of a troll pick at first, but she received some RIDICULOUSLY good buffs and people are getting over her harsh learning curve (both her players and allies).

According to one of her developers Yuumi is actually OP right now, though might be temporarily buffed a bit more just as general 'training wheel buffs'.

One of our moderators is spamming her to some pretty decent success despite getting trolled hard by her teams/ for choosing her and is in Diamond.

Packun FlowerMay 19, 20194 votes

I like how you blame the forums and yet its the balance team who has full control and power over how much power a champion gets.

Yeah, we can whine and bitch about it, but that's ALL we can do about it. If anyone is clueless when it comes to champion balance its the actual balance team.

Just look what state their choices have put the game in.

ShiroyashayamiMay 19, 20194 votes

She is useless.

l love AhriMay 19, 20192 votes

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She is useless.

Yes, she's very useless ONLY if there is no teamwork. With teamwork, she's like... what? A- tier or something. Maybe B but she's definitely not C or F

MagicFlyingLlamaMay 19, 20193 votes

The boards prove how utterly clueless they are almost constantly.

OneMustFallMay 19, 20193 votes

I played this one game against AP Zed and he went 20/0. AP Zed must be hella strong and OP. He's fantastic and why people would not want to build AP items on him just blows my mind.

Anu3isIIMay 18, 20192 votes

I think the main issue with her (which I have seen in a post made in Boards) is that she relies a lot on her whole team to know how her kit works in order to maximise her potential.

She feels weak because she needs her allies to cooperate with her... and because people believe staying attached to someone the whole game is the only thing she should do (which results in extremely weaker lanning phase and overall impact on the game).

And there is a significant amount of posts that said they consider Yuumi fine. Boards isn't just one person, you know...

Cloud273May 19, 20192 votes

I knew how strong she was ever since I saw her on pbe for the first time. She truly is the ultimate enabler support. Find your strongest ally and just stick with them all game.

FSRERMay 19, 20192 votes

She is one of the most balanced champions we've seen in a long time. For a Jack of all trades she is, she is perfect, balanced ap ratios, balanced damage on q and balanced healing The problem is that there aren't reasons to pick her over, lets say, Sona or Soraka which both do what she does but better and that is why the boards complain.