Pyke has officially taken Yasuos place as my most hated champion.

DarwinTheory·Aug 9, 2019·107 votes·19,840 views

I've banned Yasuo every game for months now because I can't stand that champs kit but now pyke is officially worse. I'm fed up with this champion ruining games, where do I start?

He's in every ...single.....game ...he...isn't...banned....every....single...one.....if that doesn't tell you he's broke what does???

Has such lane pressure can literally all in and destroy with one mistake.

On games he loses lane phase by mid game once he has an item carries/becomes a monster completely throwing the games balance. 9/10 times if his team are far behind this toxic champ reverses that.

He has an MS steroid

Health regen

Burst

Mobility

Stealth

Escape

Ult that can be spammed in TFs and gives gold.

What a stupidly disgustingly overloaded and broken kit.

Move over Yasuo. There's a new king in town.

94 Comments

Linda de MolAug 9, 201936 votes

Yeah i agree

He is in my top 3 most hated champs too.

For me its:

Fizz
Pyke
Yasuo

koshkyraAug 9, 20192 votes

75% of the playerbase felt that.

XhaidenAug 9, 20192 votes

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Yeah i agree

He is in my top 3 most hated champs too.

For me its:

Fizz

Pyke

Yasuo

If Aatrox would be played/picked at least 20% as much as Pyke - he'd be Nr. 1 for sure. The new broken version can go 1 vs 5 under turret.

RagnaveilAug 9, 20192 votes

You mean the version that doesnt have a revive, the one thing that allowed him to do so?

XhaidenAug 10, 20191 votes

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You mean the version that doesnt have a revive, the one thing that allowed him to do so?

It's not the revive that made him broken - it's his freaking passive. And they buffed that at earlier levels - when they removed revive:

**AMPLIFIED SELF-HEALING 40/55/70% ⇒ 50/60/70% COOLDOWN 140/120/100 seconds ⇒ 120/100/80 seconds **

I doubt you see many Aatrox players turret diving or going 1 vs 2 - 5 (while playing against players of similar skill) - if they kept his revive and removed his passive instead.

RagnaveilAug 10, 20191 votes

Oh really, a free GA isn't the reason why he was just able to turret dive? Right, totally the healing that only heals at max early game 100 health with the ult.

XhaidenAug 10, 20191 votes

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Oh really, a free GA isn't the reason why he was just able to turret dive? Right, totally the healing that only heals at max early game 100 health with the ult.

Last time i played vs a good Aatrox - he kept killing us under turret (we had full life too) - while healing the damage taken from the turret. His CC, Damage and sustain - is freaking insane. He didn't seem that much stronger with revive - since "he couldn't attack while reviving (and most players used to play him differently back then - while knowing they have revive)". Some would even suicide dive (chasing kills) - while counting on revive. But this guy was counting mainly on CC and the tackiness potential of his self-heal (while doing so much damage on us).

RagnaveilAug 11, 20191 votes

Idk man, you saying he can 2v5 is one helluva exaggeration.

ŚhunpoAug 9, 20198 votes

Don't forget this piece of shit Zed

JamieStopsTimeAug 10, 20192 votes

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Yeah i agree

He is in my top 3 most hated champs too.

For me its:

Fizz

Pyke

Yasuo

Mine is

Pyke
Naut
Renekton

9 0Aug 10, 20191 votes

Rengar
Rengar
Rengar

I'm an evelynn main and this guy is no fun to play against. :(

MiceOnMarsAug 11, 20191 votes

Yeah but eve is unfun to play against as everyone

Daddy AntsAug 11, 20191 votes

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Yeah but eve is unfun to play against as everyone

Least Eve doesn't have 50% hp true damage execute that ignores shields.

Rock240Oct 7, 20191 votes

50% hp????????? not fed pyke no no pbbly was 18/0 :p

MiracleMorg94Aug 9, 201914 votes

Why Riot created him in the first place is beyond me. The most STUPID, HORRIBLE design as all get out.

Linna ExcelAug 9, 20194 votes

A "support" assassin was a prank they did for the lulz. Then in true riot fashion they overloaded his kit.

LovelleAug 9, 201914 votes

The main thing I don't like about Pyke is how hard he is to punish for being out-of-position, whereas he can always punish you for making even the slightest mistake. Unless you can lock him AND burst him simultaneously he's just going win trades 1v1 and in teamfights.

It's like he's playing a different game than less mobile champions, especially melees.

ZardoAug 9, 201913 votes

I've said it before and I'll say it again, pyke has no business being as safe as he is. At least let his w be broken if someone attacks him so he's not the safest champ in league.

Nea104Aug 9, 20199 votes

It was evident he was a huge mistake since he first came out.

But the smart guy who created him said: "Chasing the possibility of a pentakill on a support is awesome". Wonder why Season 8 (and 9) destroyed this game.

3TWarriorAug 9, 20191 votes

it is awesome, but it's not balanced to share that gold with allies and have a ton of utility/burst

Nea104Aug 9, 20197 votes

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it is awesome, but it's not balanced to share that gold with allies and have a ton of utility/burst

No, it's an abomination and the precise opposite of what an actual support should be.

It just fits the current state of the game perfectly, ie. a complete sh.

3TWarriorAug 10, 20193 votes

the concept already exists in that mages can support(and even assassins). It's fun to support while having a chance to take over. It's just not always balanced

what they don't have is a tool for every situation while they also cause their allies to scale. His ult doubles the impact of takedowns and he can do a lot at the same time

CrazyMonkeyCZAug 9, 20197 votes

Eventhough I hate him and ban/pick him. I still think that

He can't kill you solo unless he is fed
He is extremely squishy, like really really squishy
His E/Q is easy to sidestep unless you are slowed or cced
His engage tools are his disengage tools

but ofc, he is

basically definition of snowballing
his comeback potential is enormous duo to ult gold
his passive feels op, but if oneshot meta is as big of the problem as ppl claim, it shouldn't matter

I think Pyke is kinda better/funnier version of Blitz(aka champ that feasts on single mistake of your enemy), he is cleanup, feast or famine kind of champ, which means, nightmare in metas where kills can get to 60 in 30 mins.

ﬂooAug 9, 201927 votes

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Eventhough I hate him and ban/pick him. I still think that

He can't kill you solo unless he is fed

He is extremely squishy, like really really squishy

His E/Q is easy to sidestep unless you are slowed or cced

His engage tools are his disengage tools

but ofc, he is

basically definition of snowballing

his comeback potential is enormous duo to ult gold

his passive feels op, but if oneshot meta is as big of the problem as ppl claim, it shouldn't matter

I think Pyke is kinda better/funnier version of Blitz(aka champ that feasts on single mistake of your enemy), he is cleanup, feast or famine kind of champ, which means, nightmare in metas where kills can get to 60 in 30 mins.

He is a support and not alone until he is fed enough to solokill.
That's like 80% of all complaints about Pyke. He's supposed to be squishy and killable, but so slippery and gets a larger portion of his health back for just retreating shortly.
Q is easy to predict, once hooked and he has E up you're dead meat, at least in lane. E has a huge hitbox and even if you manage to sidestep (while he can move the hitbox himself), you are forced out of position to either chase or retreat entirely.
No Pyke in lane engages with E. He just fishes with Q until he lands one, E to secure a kill, if threatened escape with W. He is far too safe and barely gets punished for mistakes unless you have a cc machine to lock him or his ad down.

Crimson ZeppelinAug 9, 20197 votes

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He is a support and not alone until he is fed enough to solokill.

That's like 80% of all complaints about Pyke. He's supposed to be squishy and killable, but so slippery and gets a larger portion of his health back for just retreating shortly.

Q is easy to predict, once hooked and he has E up you're dead meat, at least in lane. E has a huge hitbox and even if you manage to sidestep (while he can move the hitbox himself), you are forced out of position to either chase or retreat entirely.

No Pyke in lane engages with E. He just fishes with Q until he lands one, E to secure a kill, if threatened escape with W. He is far too safe and barely gets punished for mistakes unless you have a cc machine to lock him or his ad down.

Remember those statistics that pyke has less deaths than enchanters? You know. the class that is supposed to be at the backline and is really hard to hit?

ﬂooAug 9, 20192 votes

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Remember those statistics that pyke has less deaths than enchanters? You know. the class that is supposed to be at the backline and is really hard to hit?

I haven't seen such statistics so far, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had the lowest deathrate in the game.

JaspersAug 10, 20191 votes

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That's like 80% of all complaints about Pyke. He's supposed to be squishy and killable, but so slippery and gets a larger portion of his health back for just retreating shortly.

3rd Highest base HP at 18 in the game, he can't build HP... so okay but then highest armour at 130, 15 more than Braum and 3rd highest base MR (most have 53.5 but he, Akali, Talon and Sylas have more for some reason). You want squishy, you look at Nami or Yuumi on her own. Not the champ that has a chain vest and kindle gem in base stats over ALL other assassins.

CrystalyskAug 9, 201910 votes

He is not squiscy when he procs aftershock

mark6028Aug 9, 20191 votes

Give rito some time man. It'll need atleast another 12 months until their data shows that aftershock is a stupid fuckin keystone on so many champs.

CrystalyskAug 9, 20194 votes

Pyke is broken even without aftershock. I have never had bias against a champion until this guy.

Daddy AntsAug 11, 20192 votes

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Give rito some time man. It'll need atleast another 12 months until their data shows that aftershock is a stupid fuckin keystone on so many champs.

Aftershock isn't breaking Pyke.

Pyke's kit is the issue.

ImTheJuggernautyAug 9, 20197 votes

Correction: pyke is not funnier than blitz nor better. How is it better when blitz is actually fair and pyke is not? Also, he can use his engage and disengage IN THE SAME ROTATION. Like legit, he goes stealth, spears you, jumps THROUGH you, stunning you for an absurdly long time and walks away. By the time you go after him, he gets speed boost and runs away. So I believe it is a false argument to make the claim that his engage tool is also his disengage as though it's some kind of weakness. It's not, because done properly, his kit performs both functions at the same time.

Also, the idea that he can't solo kill you unless fed is also sort of bogus in many circumstances, because he can easily 100-0 most non-tank supports, and run circles around the tank supports making them look like children. He can also 100-0 many adcs in lane and many mages THROUGHOUT the game without being massively fed or ahead. He simply has to not be behind, which is a general rule for most champs anyway....

The only classes he has trouble 100-0ing would be juggers (he dances around them if he's smart), mobile bruisers/fighters, and assassins. Big whoopdi doo, considering how much else he contributes.

CrazyMonkeyCZAug 9, 2019

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Correction: pyke is not funnier than blitz nor better. How is it better when blitz is actually fair and pyke is not? Also, he can use his engage and disengage IN THE SAME ROTATION. Like legit, he goes stealth, spears you, jumps THROUGH you, stunning you for an absurdly long time and walks away. By the time you go after him, he gets speed boost and runs away. So I believe it is a false argument to make the claim that his engage tool is also his disengage as though it's some kind of weakness. It's not, because done properly, his kit performs both functions at the same time.

Both were fair before buff to Pykes R gold, with clear weaknesses. Funnier part is subjective, that's true. If he engages, he doesn't have tool to disengage quickly enough to survive, if so, your teams bad.

Also, the idea that he can't solo kill you unless fed is also sort of bogus in many circumstances, because he can easily 100-0 most non-tank supports, and run circles around the tank supports making them look like children. He can also 100-0 many adcs in lane and many mages THROUGHOUT the game without being massively fed or ahead. He simply has to not be behind, which is a general rule for most champs anyway....

Gonna need some proof of that, his current base dmg/ad ratios shows that unless he is fed, he won't solo kill anyone in first 15 mins, maybe Yuumi.

ContDeCaterinca1Aug 9, 20193 votes

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Both were fair before buff to Pykes R gold, with clear weaknesses.

They really went overboard with that change.

TakaDamaAug 9, 20191 votes

Level 3 Pyke (QWE) - 66 Base AD

Starting Item - Relic Shield (3 Bonus AD with Passive)

Q Damage - 75+1 Physical

E Damage - 95+3 Physical

Ignite total Damage - 110 True

Level 3 Lucian - 743 Health, 34 Armor

Damage from Q = 76 × 100 / (100 + 34) = 56

Damage from E = 98 × 100 / (100 + 34) = 73

Total Damage from Pyke (with Ignite) = 239

Percentage of Health lost by Lucian = 32%

... of course 15 minutes is a pretty long time, and Pyke should at least have ult by then if not other items. So let's go to level 6, maxing E first because ratios/base damage.

Level 6 Pyke (QWE) - 72 Base AD

Early Item - Targon's Brace (8 Bonus AD with Passive)

Q (1) Damage - 75+4 Physical

E (3) Damage - 155+8 Physical

Ignite total Damage - 170 True

R (1) Threshold - 250 base + 8 from bonus AD

Level 6 Lucian - 1001 Health, 43 Armor

Damage from Q = 79 × 100 / (100 + 43) = 55

Damage from E = 163 × 100 / (100 + 43) = 113

Total Damage from Pyke (with Ignite) = 338

Outside of Execute Threshold

Percentage of Health lost by Lucian = 33%

Not really in a mood to break down every little scenario, especially when it comes down to runes, other items, other summoner spells, etc. However I will make two observations based on what little research I did.

The stun duration for Pyke's E and the execute Threshold for Pyke's Ult scale with Lethality. With Sudden Impact and Serrated Dirk, Pyke's E will stun a champion for 1.42 seconds; with all three Lethality items and Sudden Impact, it will last 1.89 seconds.
The gray health on his passive has a level scaling, a bonus AD scaling, and a max health cap. It also lasts until Pyke heals or dies. In other words, Pyke has the staying power of Garen, the killing power of Zed, and, as of 9.14's Your Cut buff, the money making power of Draven.

DurzakaAug 9, 20194 votes

Why arent you factoring in any AA from Pyke? No Pyke is just Q->E walking away. (unless they are dummy fed).

Busty DemonAug 9, 20197 votes

Remove the R buff. Remove the R buff. Remove the R buff.

AletheiacracyAug 10, 20196 votes

when I was in kindergarten I read a book about this girl that had to draw the jungle. She copied off everyones's picture but made little changes to pretend she wasn't copying. At the end she had something from everyone, just changed up a little, and had the most overloaded picture in the class.

This is Pyke.

Passive is Tahm's Gray Health.. but uh oh better change it up- let's convert bonus Health into extra Attack Damage! Q is Thresh's Death Sentence.. but shit let's make it so he can yank enemies behind him too! W is Rengar's Thrill of the Hunt.. but let's make it more accessible ( Rengar : Wait a minute Pyke's Battle Roar is passive? E is like Zed's Living Shadow had a child with Irelia's Flawless Duet R is like Draven and Darius got into some weird shit and had a incest-love child high AD burst spam ult with a high income buff

Why even play other champions?

Nea104Aug 10, 20193 votes

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when I was in kindergarten I read a book about this girl that had to draw the jungle. She copied off everyones's picture but made little changes to pretend she wasn't copying. At the end she had something from everyone, just changed up a little, and had the most overloaded picture in the class.

This is Pyke.

Passive is Tahm's Gray Health.. but uh oh better change it up- let's convert bonus Health into extra Attack Damage! Q is Thresh's Death Sentence.. but shit let's make it so he can yank enemies behind him too! W is Rengar's Thrill of the Hunt.. but let's make it more accessible (: Wait a minute Pyke's Battle Roar is passive? E is like Zed's Living Shadow had a child with Irelia's Flawless Duet R is like Draven and Darius got into some weird shit and had a incest-love child high AD burst spam ult with a high income buff

Why even play other champions?

This message is awesome :D

AletheiacracyAug 10, 20194 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

jordon1234Aug 9, 20195 votes

seriously though fuck executes. they allow champions to miss three quarters of there kit a still get the kill its fucking dumb

ImTheJuggernautyAug 9, 20193 votes

Not true if you're darius. If you miss 3/4 of your kit as darius, your ult will do less damage than a basic ability.

Plus darius doesn't have a ranged aoe execute and isn't mobile like pyke. Meaning he has to first stack, then successfully ult, then CHASE down everyone else. If he doesn't have flash or ghost he has very little chance of follow up dunks unless his opponents are stupid and run into him like the suicidal college kids in 'Tucker and Dale Vs Evil' xD

And even THEN, EVERYBODY takes flash, and many champs have other dashes and hard cc, so it's not anywhere near impossible to prevent a darius from performing follow up dunks.

That's why pyke is a monster though. HUGE, RANGED aoe execute that for some ridiculous reason grants DOUBLE GOLD sharing

DurzakaAug 9, 20192 votes

Darius' ult isnt an execute in this discussion.

An Execute isnt an ability that is used to kill. Its an ability that does damage based on the amount of hp an enemy has left/missing. Jinx ult is an execute. Pyke ult is literally an execute (although doesnt follow the tradition definition it literally executes a target below HP threshold). Volibear's W is an execute. Garen's R is an execute. etc. etc.

jordon1234Aug 10, 20191 votes

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Not true if you're darius. If you miss 3/4 of your kit as darius, your ult will do less damage than a basic ability.

Plus darius doesn't have a ranged aoe execute and isn't mobile like pyke. Meaning he has to first stack, then successfully ult, then CHASE down everyone else. If he doesn't have flash or ghost he has very little chance of follow up dunks unless his opponents are stupid and run into him like the suicidal college kids in 'Tucker and Dale Vs Evil' xD

And even THEN, EVERYBODY takes flash, and many champs have other dashes and hard cc, so it's not anywhere near impossible to prevent a darius from performing follow up dunks.

That's why pyke is a monster though. HUGE, RANGED aoe execute that for some ridiculous reason grants DOUBLE GOLD sharing

ok so a rare case of executes done right. however compare that to pyke or evelynn.

DurzakaAug 9, 20194 votes

As a jungler, my issue with Pyke is he is too god damn safe.

Any gank bot lane results in him just Eing away, and if he is also next to his ADC at the time, thats it. End of the gank right there, because you cant chase through that or you will eat a shit ton of damage.

I will never NOT ban Pyke. I don't ever want to play against him again.

I rake beat youAug 9, 20193 votes

Honestly, I am amazed more people aren't like you in this regard. Pyke executes some ADC's at level 6 at 3/4 health. Meanwhile, Yasuo has had multiple indirect nerfs and as such is really not even that good anymore. Although I will admit slayers never bothered me. The champions that bother me fall into two categories 1) the ones that don't intend on carrying. They just want to force their laner out of the game at 5 minutes and then be useless for the rest of the game. Like Singed, Heimerdinger, Pantheon, Teemo, etc, or 2) the Champions who are so mind mindbogglingly simple and/or safe that they break the game. Like, Garen, Tristana, etc.

NithkeAug 9, 20191 votes

Yes Yasuo isn't at his strongest, it's still an annoying piece of shit that becomes unkillable if he kills you even once.

MoonšAug 10, 20191 votes

There are lots of champions that just need one kill to be ahead, like MOST ASSASSINS. Xerath may be immobile, but his ranged can easily wittle down Yasuo and kill him. Hell, Karthus himself is a good matchup against Yasuo because he has an aoe damage over time and his skittles hurt.

RaiyzaAug 9, 20193 votes

He's also a goddamned liar. "Death from Below"?

Liar.

TargonAug 9, 20193 votes

Apart from Pyke having so much in his kit - his base stats are also quite absurd too. I get that there's a bit of a penalty if Pyke builds tank items (in particular HP items) because a viable Tank Pyke would be even more of a nightmare to deal with, however, he is innately one of the tankiest supports early, and is by far the tankiest assassin in the game with his high base HP, HP per level, armor, and armor per level too, which rivals that of actual tank supports like Leona, Taric, Alistar, and Braum.

IMO he should be squishier with how insane his mobility, damage, and pressure is.