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Any reason why Irelia is more tanky than juggernaut champions?

After3perma··8 votes·4,168 views

The only juggernaut champion that is more tanky than her is Darius, but Darius is bullshit so I won't talk about him. He deals more damage, more tankiness than the rest of the juggernauts.

Irelia has more HP, damage reduction, ultra mobility, healing, CC. She is harder to kill than an Illaoi or Garen because they don't have on demand healing unless Garen waits out of combat or Illaoi uses multiple Q's on enemy champs. Irelia can Q spam each minion and heal like 40-50 hp every Q and also ult multiple targets and E and heal off that also. We won't touch Irelia's healing but we are going to completely remove Akali's healing that she needs 180 energy for.

Damage reduction is 100% benefitial than any armor or magic resist you buy. Completely nullifying 50% of an enemy champion(s) damage is worth more than all armor items combined.

You took out bits of Irelia's cancerous kit, now it is time to target her tankiness. She should not be allowed more tankiness than immobile juggernaut champions.

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Moody P9 votes

Darius is one of the squishiest juggernauts, what are you on about?

Irelia comes off as tankier because she has high avoidance but her dmg reduction is only against physical. Garen blocks 30% of ALL damage for up to 6 seconds. He has problems but his durability has never been one of them.

Ralanr1 votes

The best way to avoid an attack is to avoid an attack.

This is also why dodging is generally seen as more skillful than taking a hit.

Moody P1 votes

I think you can add more skillful ways to tank hits too

Ralanr1 votes

I don’t doubt you can. Arguably windows like Warwick’s E are an example of this.

Granted Irellia people shouldn’t have that level of mobility and a DR ability.

cheex9195 votes

people are still complaining about irelia? she got butchered and has no damage now. her ult doesnt have a disarm now, just a slow effect. her Q cant 1 shot minions early game with sheen + some AD items. Her damage reduction already got reduced on her W, she lost her more dmg on shields passive. And she lost -5 movement spd so she cant catch any squishys, i dunno what you're complaining about, cause she got butchered pretty hard

Saianna2 votes

her Q cant 1 shot minions early game with sheen + some AD items.

Really? So you say Irelia being in line with others is the best proof she's butchered now? Damage reduction, even if lowered, is still stronger than if you were to stack armor or MR. I don't think you even saw really butchered champions and just use this word for greater impact.

And she lost -5 movement spd so she cant catch any squishys

Not that she has a gap closer on rather low CD and she buys T-force or Black cleaver which gives her MS boost.

SuperTopLFBottom2 votes

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people are still complaining about irelia? she got butchered and has no damage now. her ult doesnt have a disarm now, just a slow effect. her Q cant 1 shot minions early game with sheen + some AD items. Her damage reduction already got reduced on her W, she lost her more dmg on shields passive. And she lost -5 movement spd so she cant catch any squishys, i dunno what you're complaining about, cause she got butchered pretty hard

She got butchered so hard the only top ranked toplaner that plays a bruiser is an irelia toplane player with a 77% winrate.

She has a 10-15% pickrate from diamond to master and a 51% winrate. What a butchered champion.

Truth is irelia is now a toplane problem so noone cares about her. The entire community bitched cuz she threatened mage oppression in midlane and now that she got FORCED out of midlane noone gives a shit anymore if she dumpsters another lane as long as she is not played bot or midlane.

Truth is irelia is still the same bullshit as before because nothing about her that makes her ACTUALLY overpowered has changed and that is the fact that she either oneshots any champion at any point in the game who she hits with E except for bruisers like darius or kled and if she misses it she just rightclicks you to death with her passive steroid.

She will need a new passive or lose her reset mechanic. She cannot be an amazing assassin basically with her burst AND an amazing DPSer AND an amazing teamfighter. Irelia currently is just the champion. She is literally the champion. Easy last hitting. Sustain. Insane mobility. Hard CC. Damage reduction. Insane teamfight presence. Splitpush. 1v1. Skirmish king. There is nothing irelia doesn't have. Her ult alone even without the disarm disrupts a teamfight harder than some tanks could ever hope for.

Saevum2 votes

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She got butchered so hard the only top ranked toplaner that plays a bruiser is an irelia toplane player with a 77% winrate.

She has a 10-15% pickrate from diamond to master and a 51% winrate. What a butchered champion.

Truth is irelia is now a toplane problem so noone cares about her. The entire community bitched cuz she threatened mage oppression in midlane and now that she got FORCED out of midlane noone gives a shit anymore if she dumpsters another lane as long as she is not played bot or midlane.

Truth is irelia is still the same bullshit as before because nothing about her that makes her ACTUALLY overpowered has changed and that is the fact that she either oneshots any champion at any point in the game who she hits with E except for bruisers like darius or kled and if she misses it she just rightclicks you to death with her passive steroid.

She will need a new passive or lose her reset mechanic. She cannot be an amazing assassin basically with her burst AND an amazing DPSer AND an amazing teamfighter. Irelia currently is just the champion. She is literally the champion. Easy last hitting. Sustain. Insane mobility. Hard CC. Damage reduction. Insane teamfight presence. Splitpush. 1v1. Skirmish king. There is nothing irelia doesn't have. Her ult alone even without the disarm disrupts a teamfight harder than some tanks could ever hope for.

To be fair, Irelia has more windows for you to play with. Not only that, in a teamfight she really demands a decent amount of focus or you can mess up a winning situation.

Moon Mom4 votes

She isn't.

More HP > Fine. She has a larger HP pool. She's a diver and can only commit to fights. This is why Darius has a high HP pool too.

Damage reduction > only to physical damage. Can still be bursted by magic damage, and this ability has a 20 second cooldown and is a one point wonder. On top of this, it's mainly used to soften minions up or to stack her passive. It's an almost worthless ability now, considering all the mixed damage in the game.

Ultra mobility > conditional on landing skillshots or minion waves, similar to yasuo with his E and ult.

Healing > not as much as it has been. The healing is a non issue at this point if you look at the actual amount she gets 12 / 14 / 16 / 18 / 20% AD based on Q rank. Pretending she has 120 AD with Q maxed she'll get 24 HP per minion (not the 40-50 you're claiming) = 144 health at max rank every wave. She'd have to wait several waves to sustain back to full health.

CC > a short stun with a brief slow if you cross her wall, which can be flashed or you can just avoid and fight her. She doesn't have super huge long lockdowns etc so I don't understand this point.

I both enjoy playing irelia and against her in Diamond across a couple of accounts. We sure as hell don't want point and click stat check irelia back again, my main champion Diana is enough of a nightmare to deal with. They hit the mark by removing her oppressive extra bits in her kit (shield breaking and disarm). You can fight her now, and she has clear counterplay with windup times (her passive).

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

I do agree actually, and in my experience, due to her ability to quickly chase and destroy enemies, or Dodfe abilities, it escape, she is actually more tanky than Darius, or rather, she has more survivability tools and tends to last longer in a lit of fights while have better cc and target access and upfront burst

Mordepool1 votes

It may seem like her Tankiness exceeds that of juggernauts because during that Rare Moment when she is Hard Ccd and vulnerable she gets enough of a durability boost from Steraks + Bone plating to survive. The rest of time she is simply reducing damage down to zero based purely from avoidance.

Where as Juggernauts have like Zero % avoidance and insufficient Durability from items. Hence why Juggernaut are shit and have been since 5.16.

Bloodrage Shadow1 votes

Since you seem to think so, I'm curious, in what way is Darius tankier than Garen for instance?

After3perma1 votes

Darius has situational healing with Q spam while Garen has to wait out of combat under turret.

Darius has higher base stats and damage compared to Garen.

Garen’s W doesn’t do anything to help him. The passive portion is completely useless unless the buff the numbers up. Most of the time you won’t even be able to stack your W passive to full.

Zardo1 votes

but Darius is bullshit

Care to elaborate?

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