We gut entire champions kits, but for Yasuo..

After3perma·Feb 16, 2019·213 votes·23,306 views

We are giving a partial revert to the 8.11 hotfix.

We are not going to bother with his shield that gives him so much safety for free.

We are not going to address his Q spam in lane which causes the enemy laner to play the minigame of dodge the tornado every 3 seconds.

We are not going to address his Wind Wall. We are not going to fix that he can stand inside the Wind Wall and get 360 degree protection. We are not going to fix that he can block projectiles in the opposite direction.

We are not going to address his infinite mobility spam with no resource cost.

We are not going to address his ultimate placing him deliberately outside turret range and his ultimate giving Yasuo bonus armor penetration for 15 SECONDS. We are not going to address his rank 3 CD of 30 seconds with no CDR.

This champion has caused nothing but unfun gameplay since 2013.

178 Comments

Moody PFeb 16, 201920 votes

Yasuo is healthy and those champions arent

3TWarriorFeb 16, 201911 votes

except for wind wall ?

he's fairly well designed, but windwall just kind of crushes any satisfaction of playing against him if you're a ranged character while also offering him complete control over how battles progress

He's a hypercarry that has tank and support characteristics, but of course no one would want to play him if he only had those support characteristics or had to suffer a lot for it, so it makes more sense to CHANGE windwall so he retains his tank and carry characteristics. Keyword: Change. it doesn't have to be removed, but it does have to be changed to be fair to the opponents

it feels like extra information, but I made a simple example. Imagine a mage that could somehow stop all melee attacks. Not only would this character be a permanent must-pick opponent to yasuo, it would also destroy the effectiveness of all melee opponents, yet for some reason, it's okay for yasuo to do the same to ranged characters?

Moody PFeb 16, 201918 votes

the difference is that ranged already counters melee by default because melee is inherently risky and ranged isn't.

you can beat wind wall by not opening with your strongest spell and understanding your CDs vs his. anything you do will be up at least twice as often as wind wall.

sorry that there's a melee champion who doesn't autolose to ranged tumor

3TWarriorFeb 16, 201944 votes

range does not counter melee, it is only an inherent advantage for poke damage or crowd control, but does not change the effects

while a ranged matchup might have the advantage early game, it's a struggle to keep that advantage because melee champions and tanks stat-check ranged champions easily

why do you think that people dislike jax currently? Damage has gotten so high that he can just blitz you and get the kill, as can any melee with a gap-closer which is almost all of them

Hayaishi2Feb 16, 201930 votes

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range does not counter melee, it is only an inherent advantage for poke damage or crowd control, but does not change the effects

while a ranged matchup might have the advantage early game, it's a struggle to keep that advantage because melee champions and tanks stat-check ranged champions easily

why do you think that people dislike jax currently? Damage has gotten so high that he can just blitz you and get the kill, as can any melee with a gap-closer which is almost all of them

Don't even bother. Moody is in the same league as Hashinshin, they both believe ranged champions sole purpose should be being hunted down for sport by melee champions.

JavelinJoeFeb 16, 20198 votes

That is nice and all, but you forgot his massive shield that he just charges by walking and using his mobility, even in combat which is a 100% block of at least one damage source because only a few things deal more than 510 damage at level 18 vs full build Yasuo. Also, he now has another shield with item 3046 which can block 210-600 damage, and opens up a space in his inventory since it can be one of his 2 crit items. Not to mention this is a perfectly fine first item for him. so first item gives him another shield on top of his WW and passive.

After3permaFeb 16, 201917 votes

Yeah and you also forgot that Yasuo’s passive shield also procs whenever he uses ult even if he has 0 flow stacks. You can’t punish him even when he ults.

Bishasaurus FlexFeb 16, 20193 votes

He can still be CC'd tho, right?

PhearBunnyFeb 16, 20196 votes

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He can still be CC'd tho, right?

Not really. Since PD is now PD+Steraks, he can just build a QSS 2nd, pretty much every single game and do whatever he wants.

xDelightifyxFeb 17, 20196 votes

And his dmg will still arrive, eventhough he got stunned by a Alistar (for example).Orr if u polymprph him, he just goes on ulting and when hes done, poly ran off, ao hell oneshot me as next target. Thy for the not existing counterplay.

ValiantKillerFeb 16, 201917 votes

I mean Akali got gutted cause of dumb W Mech. sames goes for MonkeyKing cause he could hide and melt someone while they have put down Aatrox to ground cause he is pain in the lane plus Zoe had the same treatment too and they planning to kill Urgot from top lane.

While most of this champions i mention doesn't get played in 3 different lanes with much success while Yasuo is toxic cancer champion to play against and have the highest winrate in legit 3 lanes and high pick rate while having over 75% banned rate.

That champion got to get full reworked or deleted , but ofcoruse pro play love him so riot will love him.

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 16, 20193 votes

yasuo is getting nerfed soon because item changes made him more powerful last patch
he is not the highest win rate in 3 lanes, he is the highest in one lane, again because he was buffed by item changes and is getting nerfed soon.
he is not loved in pro play, he is almost never played in pro play. he is loved by a lot of players but he hasn't gotten special treatment because of it, other than lots of skins which is what happens with every popular champion.

how do you people just spout lies with no shame like this? is it that you're emboldened by our president or what

xDelightifyxFeb 17, 20193 votes

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yasuo is getting nerfed soon because item changes made him more powerful last patch

Nope CertainlyT wont allow that, because of his baby has to be ridiculous overpowered, so he doesnt drop ranks.

he is not loved in pro play, he is almost never played in pro play. he is loved by a lot of players but he hasn't gotten special treatment because of it, other than lots of skins which is what happens with every popular champion.

hes loved by eiot and their designers, especially by CertainlyT. Every other champ would have been nerfed to the grpund, but because of yasuo is so popular they wont nerf him, because they would lose skin sales. Compared to. the daily playerloss, because of the inabilty of riots balancing team i dont think that its worth to keep him op. Pll hate him for a reason. Make him fair to play against and everything is fine. Vut u cant treat aome classes/champs. speical, while u obviously treat others bad (Support especially). That rlly gives us the feeling that u dont want certain champs to be played overall, and u want certain roles do be super bad. If u go on like this u wont have half of yoir playerbase by next year. And tbh stop publishing fake statistics. LoL doesnt have 100 million active players. U have 30. 70 million are smurfs (not calculated, because several acxounts are owned by one player), or inactive accounts. Never trust a statistic u did not fake on your own.

how do you people just spout lies with no shame like this? is it that you're emboldened by our president or what

What lies? I think you are just not able. to accept. that ur champ is ridiculously overpowered and does need nerfs immediatly.

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 17, 20192 votes

yasuo is 1 of 5 champs I've never played in pvp before.
he is being nerfed next patch to compensate the item changes

he doesn't get nerfed into the ground because it isn't necessary. you need to focus on getting better at the game rather than just blaming riot for what goes wrong in silver. chill the fuck out and try using your brain

xDelightifyxFeb 18, 20193 votes

Thats why i have a 65% winrate. Cause im obviously bad.

Sorry bro but balance stopped to exist after season 6 and got replaced with this assasine/bruiser favourism that noone except of the affected players does like. Playerbase does dropp for a reason. Sorry but CertainlyT wont allow yas nerfs, or do you want his rank to drop? Lets see with what excuse riot does come up this time [sg-miss-fortune]

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 18, 20193 votes

its actually painful to read your comments, like I feel my brain cells withering away with each sentence.

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20191 votes

adc mage favoritisim? yasou is broken because hes a melee adc not because hes a bruiser brusier.

ValiantKillerFeb 17, 20192 votes

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yasuo is getting nerfed soon because item changes made him more powerful last patch

he is not the highest win rate in 3 lanes, he is the highest in one lane, again because he was buffed by item changes and is getting nerfed soon.

he is not loved in pro play, he is almost never played in pro play. he is loved by a lot of players but he hasn't gotten special treatment because of it, other than lots of skins which is what happens with every popular champion.

how do you people just spout lies with no shame like this? is it that you're emboldened by our president or what

That not nerf that revert buffs that wasn't needed in first place. You know what is nerf? Nerf is when wukong level 1 Q have 0 AD ratio now that is a nerf

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 17, 20192 votes

Those buffs were needed at the time, when they made crit items worse for him. He was a lot weaker than he should be. Now that crit items are back to being similar to how they used to be he needs a nerf to compensate again. Honestly dump the hysteria, stop acting like a child.

BTW those wukong nerfs were needed too

ValiantKillerFeb 17, 20192 votes

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Those buffs were needed at the time, when they made crit items worse for him. He was a lot weaker than he should be. Now that crit items are back to being similar to how they used to be he needs a nerf to compensate again. Honestly dump the hysteria, stop acting like a child.

BTW those wukong nerfs were needed too

I mean why not make Yasuo Q make zero AD ratio early since he scaling champion too ? Right ofcourse that won't happen cause he will be garbage like wukong

FSRERFeb 17, 20192 votes

Akali gutted. Yeah ok. At least thats what people who learned her that strong think or else, now she is pretty balanced.

ValiantKillerFeb 17, 20194 votes

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gutted. Yeah ok. At least thats what people who learned her that strong think or else, now she is pretty balanced.

i don't own her lol but i mean they did gut a champion kit cause it broken so why not do the same to yasuo ?

KazekibaFeb 18, 20195 votes

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gutted. Yeah ok. At least thats what people who learned her that strong think or else, now she is pretty balanced.

44% winrate champion gutted to 38% is balanced, okay. No Akali is the worst champion in the game right now behind Trundle. Akali mains wanted her shroud nerfed so that she could get power elsewhere, and instead they got a Second nerf added on top of that and ... nothing in return.

PhearBunnyFeb 16, 201916 votes

Yasuos only weakness: Completely overloaded, broken mechanics that give him a false sense that he can 1v5. Causing Yasuo to go 2-15 irregardless of how overpowered he is.

l MrD lFeb 16, 201915 votes

Yeh i really am sick of yasuo too...

I ban him simply because he stoo frrustrating .... i have to do too much in lane .... poke to remove shield ... play around W CD ... play around his dashes trying to dodge nado so i dont get ulted

why would i risk playing vs that when i can just ban him .... but seriously though of all important things .... where was the rework he was supposed to get when his ban rate became so high.........

Dope SoloFeb 16, 201912 votes

The game eats shit. Just get over it and stop waiting for it to get better. The balance/gameplay team is out of touch and doesn't have any clue what they're doing. Its why people keep leaving and the game is losing money year over year. If you want to try and enjoy the game, play casual and ban/dodge anything that riot refuses to fix when they take 2 years to work on a known problem. My guess is that the original developers left and the mess they left behind was the toxic clusterfuck of a corporate culture we've been hearing about for the last year. That is league, you can't expect that mindset wouldn't find its way into the mechanics of the game. Sure, league can still be fun, when you aren't dealing with straight garbage like an overloaded perma push Yasuo, or the instagib meta, or the trash matchmaker that resets every season. You want to just enjoy the game? Start dropping matches. Its a 5, 15, 30 min wait as opposed to a 5, 15, 30 min afk, feeder, frustration building coin flip stompfest. Pick your poison.

SaiannaFeb 16, 201911 votes

Rito: Don't worry, -3AD at level 18 should fix everything!

KarfussFeb 17, 201910 votes

Just another powerspike champion that gets one item, and all prior mishaps and mistakes are erased.

Champions have been reworked for less, yet Yasuo occupies the "too popular to be reworked" spot that Lee Sin once did. If Riot announced a rework or significant nerfs the boards would be on lockdown.

420 gramsFeb 16, 20199 votes

Either you have a good match up into him or you don't. Pretty bad champ design tbh

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 16, 20193 votes

This is true of most champions, except you know, you can gank him and in fact yasuo is one of the most susceptible to gank champs there is.

you can also deal with him away from minions where he has a big advantage, like in the river.

But sure lets all upvote asinine comments like this with 0 critical thinking behind them

420 gramsFeb 17, 20196 votes

Then you're open to getting counter ganked. Not all Yasuos will accept your "1v1 me in the river". Most will stay in lane where the minions and objectives are. But hey, you beat a spam e yasuo player with a jungler before so he must be fine and fair to play against in every match up

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 17, 20191 votes

his winrate in plat has, for the last 6 months, been between 47% and 49%, until this last patch where he was indirectly buffed by crit item changes

but hey you lost to a champ with average winrate and it was frustrating, so he must be OP.

Maybe this is too much to hope for but, you know, since the facts are squarely against you, why don't you just admit you're wrong and suck it up?

l MrD lFeb 17, 20194 votes

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his winrate in plat has, for the last 6 months, been between 47% and 49%, until this last patch where he was indirectly buffed by crit item changes

but hey you lost to a champ with average winrate and it was frustrating, so he must be OP.

Maybe this is too much to hope for but, you know, since the facts are squarely against you, why don't you just admit you're wrong and suck it up?

you seem to be confusing people with complaining hes OP.... hes definitely balanced... just very frustrating to play against ... he has and does things that just isnt needed

kingDeDeDariusFeb 17, 20194 votes

Lol Yas is far from the most susceptible champs to gank. His E allows him to make escape through minions in multiple directions. His q nado provides self peel, his w allows him to shield while running away, not to mention his passive shield blocking damage. You want susceptible? Try Darius, nasus, malphite, garen, or morde. Those champs are vulnerable to ganks. Yas only is if he is an idiot and ignores common sense game safety to overextend heavily, which ANY champ can do.

Akali PrimeFeb 16, 20199 votes

Akali Aatrox Irelia item 3070

LaçezFeb 17, 20199 votes

Literally the perfect summary of Yasuo & all his aids in game. I hate the fact people say he's balanced because people tend to int on him, literally one of the most irrelevant counter arguements to support his bs; it implies there's a skill cap to controlling yourself & as if that's exclusive to Yasuo because he's broken. Like... stfu

Z3SleeperFeb 16, 20198 votes

I wonder how the game would be if Yasuo's Q had an actual cooldown. Hmmm

MoonscourgeFeb 16, 20193 votes

He has too much damage. Besides that he is already an inting champ. It's not a meme for no reason.

Plus IE only gives 25% crit damage compared to 50% before.

LordGeovanniFeb 16, 201934 votes

Yasou is only an inting champion for people who over estimate their strength and try tower diving without using ult. And that only happens because yasou's late game is so destructive that people end up feeling phantom power from recent games late game. you can see it on almost any yasou game play where the person struggles early they be like 'woops cant do that yet'

MoonscourgeFeb 16, 20193 votes

Point stands. It's almost like you can't play like you're at full build in the early to mid game and doing so should get punished accordingly. Even Yasuos that do well, outside of super stomps where EVERYBODY is winning extremely hard, tend to average a lot of deaths. Doesn't matter if it's just the braindamage of the player, the champ dies a lot and if he can't do anything during the time he is alive then why even complain about it.

I'm far less scared of Yasuo than some of the crit ADCs who just auto you from range and kill you in a couple hits, because I know when Yasuo isn't numerically overtuned like right now he will just try to make a play, die and we win the game off of that.

LordGeovanniFeb 16, 20195 votes

Yasou isnt even an issue compared to the marksmen class but He is an issue compared to everyone else. He is indeed Numerically overtunned He also has no cooldown windows to exploit as a melee opponent. On top of having a redicilously smooth kit that cuts down on time he would be vulnerable if his animations were longer and things like having a windwall shield and a flow shield or his ult is a long suppression as long as warwicks on a 30second late game cooldown that also resets his flow shield and has a redicilous amount of penetration that lasts half the time of his ults late game cooldown. all of that on a champion with 2 item perma crit.

xDelightifyxFeb 17, 20196 votes

The difference is a marksman will be oneshot. Yasuo however wont even be borthered by my dmg (as support), nor will he be borthered by my cc, except if we gank him has 4 or 5. A champs that requires several enemy champs justvto keep him under control is not balanced. "gank him often early"/camping him is no "counterplay" , nor is zhonyas or "dont feed him". Hes the champ on whom riot lets out all their biasedness and hate towards botalne players.

Yasuó Bót Feb 17, 20192 votes

You guys keep on complaining like a guest who wants to take what's not his rights in a hotel without any effort so he takes it, Yasuo is a very hard champion to master, and only few people could master him, yeah he has what he has but it doesn't give him that safety in game, he is a weak champion after all that nerfs unless you are pro with him, and many champions can counter him hard where Yasuo can't do anything but lose his lane instead of them, specially if they have a cooperative jungler, I only want to say this to Riot ; don't listen to complainers for no reason

Winner BotFeb 17, 201910 votes

How is Yasuo weak when he is Tier 1 for both Top and Mid, according to OP.GG*[zombie-brand-clap]*

Anyways I perma-ban him no matter he is Tier 1 or Tier 5, sorry Yasuó Bót

Bishasaurus FlexFeb 16, 20191 votes

I think Riot is afraid to change anything about Yasuo . If they removed his shield, I feel like he would become another AD vs ranged matchup. As much as I hate him, I'm not sure what they could change without completely destroying him.

Take Syndra for example. The 5.9 update made her S tier and completely overpowered. So Riot reverted the change and nerfed the base damage of her Q to 50 from 70 at level 1, and narrowed the hitbox of her stun where it was almost impossible to land unless the enemy walked in front of a dark sphere or you R'd then E'd. She is now back to her "happy medium" before the MYMU. People still complain about her being a "press R champ", but her ultimate takes time to set up, and once she does it, shes useless.

KazekibaFeb 16, 20199 votes

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I think Riot is afraid to change anything about . If they removed his shield, I feel like he would become another AD vs ranged matchup. As much as I hate him, I'm not sure what they could change without completely destroying him.

Simple fix . Remove the double crit passive entirely (although he needs it now.) and make his W duration scale with Flow stacks, and also consume all stacks (but lower the cooldown significantly. Im talking 26/24/22/20/18 to 16 at all ranks levels of reduced. Or 24/23/22/21/20 if you want to play it safe. And if he ends up overpowered still, remove the 50% bonus armor pen that effectively negates the reduced Crit damage he does anyway. Yasuo should be hard countered by tanks while serving as a hard counter to mages/ranged burst (namely assassins and ADCs) instead of being the average CertainlyT champion and just being a counter to everything and everyone not named Kayle

LeetriFeb 17, 20193 votes

And now he's building tanky and people are complaining about "tank" Yasuo being impossible to kill while still dealing the same damage as before. The double crit passive is there so he's forced to build crit instead of bruiser.

KazekibaFeb 17, 20193 votes

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And now he's building tanky and people are complaining about "tank" Yasuo being impossible to kill while still dealing the same damage as before. The double crit passive is there so he's forced to build crit instead of bruiser.

item 3078 item 3153 item 3046 item 3006 item 3026 item 3139

If you can get the snowball rolling to build this, Yasuo manages it just fine. The double crit passive is bloat on an existing already-good passive because CertainlyT can't just make a simple champion.

ModAcademy KaynFeb 17, 20193 votes

Anyone fed enough can build Tanky and still win. It's not about it being fine, it's about it being Optimal. The Double Crit passive is such a powerful passive, you're actively handicapping yourself by not utilizing it fully. It's a design crutch to force a preferred way of playing. It's why Riot beat down that one tank yasuo build that emerged, by only making his crits get the armor pen from his Ult. It's not bloat, something extra thrown on for no reason.

Exin0Feb 16, 20194 votes

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I think Riot is afraid to change anything about . If they removed his shield, I feel like he would become another AD vs ranged matchup. As much as I hate him, I'm not sure what they could change without completely destroying him.

Take for example. The 5.9 update made her S tier and completely overpowered. So Riot reverted the change and nerfed the base damage of her Q to 50 from 70 at level 1, and narrowed the hitbox of her stun where it was almost impossible to land unless the enemy walked in front of a dark sphere or you R'd then E'd. She is now back to her "happy medium" before the MYMU. People still complain about her being a "press R champ", but her ultimate takes time to set up, and once she does it, shes useless.

he spam tornadoes so much he is almost ranged there lies first problem, remove passive shield give windwall HP or act like ward health, make his ult usable only on his own tonado knockups.