Why all the Hate on Fizz?

Prospector Pete··3 votes·788 views

Fizz . We all love him/hate him. Our favorite phish. But recently, I've seen people say to nerf him, and I'm not just saying like, -30 damage on his Q, I mean remove the damage on his E completely. I have just played 3 games as Fizz, and I was fed in every game. I was able to instantly kill somebody and then run off. But, I think the thing is, is that people don't know how to counter Fizz.

Fizz has very high mana costs. Just steal the enemy blue, and Fizz can't spam his E and Q. Certain champions counter him hard. Malzahar, I've found, is a good Fizz counter. In one of my games I was 0/2 in lane against a Malz(I got fed from kills in other lanes). So, all you need to do to defeat Fizz is counter him at champion selection. Pick Ryze, he's a great counter. There's so much that you can do to deal with him, yet people don't. In blind pick, I understand, and in draft, he usually gets banned, but if you are up against Fizz, don't do exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do and then whine about it. Fizz's kit will never get changed, it's too iconic. It's like if Darius's ultimate was changed to "Pillow Toss".

To counter Fizz in lane, stay at a distance and poke him hard. He has no skillshots he can toss out at you like Zed Q or Urgot Q, so poking him should be easy. If you use hard crowd control that instantly applies, like Warwick, Malz, or Ryze, use it to focus him down. You need to coordinate with your team.

Next time you want to criticize the phish, just remember, when in doubt, eat a potato.

I hope this helped. See you on the rift.

15 Comments

Kowe The Ewok6 votes
  • High burst is frustrating
  • Invincibility is very frustrating
  • High mobility is frustrating
  • AoE CC is frustrating, especially if it is on low CD
  • High efficiency with low skill requirement is frustrating

Fizz overall is not only strong, but also frustrating to play against. Anyway, I dare say there is another guys who is a much worse offender....

Ð É M Ø Ñ2 votes

Extremely well said sir, thank you.

Prospector Pete1 votes

The point I'm trying to get to is this: Fizz is a burst AP assassin that DOES have counters. Pick Ryze, pick Malz, you have the power to shut him down early if you play smart. People feed sometimes, I mean how else did Gragas get fat, but Fizz does not have 100% win rate, he WILL lose games, and if you do the things you need to counter him, you can make that winrate go down by 0.00000000000000000000000000001%.

Too Ton1 votes

or he just gets nerfed :D

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

The issue is: You can't always counterpick. There are picks which are universally strong (like Fizz) who even if they're countered do extremely well. And simply dominate if they're the ones who pick second.

Not to mention that his low mana cost and huge mobility make him a great roamer. Even if he doesn't get fed in lane, he's one of the best picks to destroy the enemy jungler (or sidelanes).

Reminder, i do think there are worse offender than Fizz... Or at least one...

Fadedpf3 votes

Have you ever gotten your ult blocked?Darius Vi Caitlyn Jinx ETC. Have you ever been completely healthy then 100 to 0 dropped because he has a dorans and sheen? Long story short, he is busted as fuck. Stupidly insane escapes and damage induces rage like fuck.

Prospector Pete2 votes

What I'm trying to say is this: Fizz has counters. People don't know how to play against him. If people learn, Fizz won't be as powerful. Just think of someone like Katarina. She has massive AoE damage and is hard to catch. Sounds like Fizz, except Fizz is more of a single target guy. But I don't see people saying to remove the damage on Kat's ult all the time. How many Fizz pentakills do you think there are compared to Katarina pentakills? I'm just wondering why people are singling him out all the time.

Prospector Pete1 votes

Oh and BTW, if Darius's ult misses, it doesn't go on cooldown. And If Fizz uses his E while Caitlyn is channeling, it is only on a 10 second cooldown. And also the fact that Jinx's rocket is a skillshot.

Fadedpf2 votes

But Vi and her ult goes on cool down. Balanced?

Too Ton3 votes

kat can't troll pole out of anything. she can shunpo but she isn't untargetable

Fadedpf2 votes

I know fizz and his kit. I basically need to wait for him to use his E and have an AMAZING gap closer. other wise he will E then Q if needed and hes gone. Not everyone has a talon gap closer. This is the problem with fizz. Not only this but his turn potential is insanely stupid. He will E to escape a skill that would have had him screwed. E back into you. W, then Q and youre dead. No skill or counter play what so ever.

Leblancs Boob3 votes

Counterpicking is situational because you dont always get the chance to pick after your lane opponent. And you say "just steal the enemy blue" like its something easy to do, theres a lot of strategy that goes into something like that. The fact that you have to go through all that just to beat one champion doesn't give you some clue that maybe this champion needs tuning down?

Also poking Fizz is most certainly not easy. He does have a bit of damage reduction and can't be minion blocked, and also his Q and E are both mobility spells. If you overstep just to auto him once all he has to do is jump on you and you have to burn flash just to survive

Sooko2 votes

Mana costs are indeed one of his weaknesses, but his E is still over the top for a basic ability. You can erase a carry (later on when mana isn't a problem anymore) and then retreat without anyone being able to scratch you because of it. It all comes down to one skill, really, because, as an assassin, he is supposed to be able to kill squishies quickly, but he shouldn't have so much cc, mobility, damage, waveclear and safety in one skill with such a low cooldown.

Blastermine1 votes

Because Mage and Marksmen mains always whine about how the FOTM assassins are face-roll,low risk high reward, always snowball, instant kill nonsense that is(super safe/no counter-play/reset pentakill) and that Riot needs to Nerf immediately.

Kuroi861 votes

Not op, not broken, but toxic as hell. He either does ridiculously well and is no fun to play against. Or you get your butt beat early and struggle just to kill a support who's a level behind you.

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