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Riot caring about Sub-Challengers is like NFL caring about little league.

Occams Raiser··2 votes·444 views

LCS is important to them. I don't think we should expect them to bring tribunal back (in the capacity it was). Caring about your fan base is something you do while you are on the way and the way down. Riot is in that sweet spot where they have reached escape velocity. They are now orbiting in "corporate perception mode".

We lose small time publishers all the time. And the price of developing a game is quite prohibitive. That is why we always see tried and true games get sequels and so few new titles. This is all stuff you know if you are a gamer. But when it comes to Riot a lot of us have rose colored glasses on. The Leave buster is for them not us. Chat restrictions are for them to save face with the parents that don't want their kids cussed out of lobbies.

The time you have to put in to reach LCS level is ridiculous in relation to casual game play. I bet those guys play in one day what I play in a week. You don't have to worry about trolls as much when you play 600+ hours a month. I average 2 games a day when I am on a bender and I feel horribly ashamed of myself. You have to be making money at it in some capacity to get over into high playing hours. Riot doesn't care about your revenue, streamers. But it is free publicity. At least you have a reason to play a lot.

I think people complaining about the tribunal coming or not coming might have delusions of grandeur **(I count my self along those ranks). ** The odds of someone being held back from challenger due to trolls is pretty low because of hours played. And if you aren't concerned about being on the public tournament scene, Riot probably thinks you can go @#$% yourself. They don't mean it in a bad way but you just aren't that important. LCS is NFL and Gold, Silver, and Bronze (the majorities) are little league. You think they have time to create a system that caters to lil' ol' you?

To long to read? Stop asking about the Tribunal. Go back to the sandlot.

Anyone who brings up Pop warner vs Little league and mixed metaphors... You know what you can do.

13 Comments

Troy2426214 votes

False analogy. Non-pro games (Such as Ranked queue) are not equivalent to little leagues. Ranked queue is still very much intended to be played competitively.

Occams Raiser1 votes

You are sooo close you can taste it but you are still wrong. I didn't say minor league. Wait, did I? You are either making money or not.

Troy2426212 votes

Said little leagues.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Little league isn't the same minor league.

Xonra2 votes

Yeah, riot caring about the people that actually pay to play this game makes is totally dumb

They should only care about the people they have to pay to play the game in front of a camera.

That logic makes total sense OP. Maybe stop sniffing paint.

Occams Raiser1 votes

You need a longer comb. You aren't reaching the roots. How much do you think EA gives a shit? You pay them $60 a pop. You are looking at things very superficially. Companies love your type.

Xonra1 votes

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You need a longer comb. You aren't reaching the roots. How much do you think EA gives a shit? You pay them $60 a pop. You are looking at things very superficially. Companies love your type.

Love "my type"? What exactly do you think "my type" is?

I think you are confusing the two of us. My type is the one that understand the bottom line is money. Your kind is the type that obviously has no idea how the real business world works.

Riot has stated that they barely break even with the LCS every year, and it isn't until maybe worlds with more sponsorship that they make any money. The NFL makes a ton of money.

Your comparison not only makes no sense, but your responses just make you sound dumb by trying to argue with people using confused assumptions and bad attempts at insults.

Occams Raiser2 votes

LCS is a commercial. They aren't suppose to break even with it. And they do more than break even from what it does for them. You are thinking of promotion as off the books I take it. Be cool. no one is actually attacking you personally. Your type is what I said about how you view things. You think that I am thinking one way but I actually agree with you kinda. You are just thinking of what each element is on its own.

I know the internet gives people balls to say things they wouldn't say normally so i ignore all the shit people say to insult others. If you think it is a bad comparison thats cool. If you think my comparison about how EA cares very little for what people say they want vs what they buy, thats cool. You speak with your wallet not words. If people want a tribunal and less trolls they play the game with those elements. By playing LOL without a tribunal, you are telling Riot that you do not need a tribunal.

LCS gives you something in the back of your head to aspire to. They know the psychology of their base. They know what players are willing to accept. What did you think I meant by your type?

**One more thing. Unless the company is letting you look at their books, you don't listen to what they say they are making unless you are a shareholder. That is a tip for you. I am a corporate man. They don't get where they are by transparency. **

apple juıce2 votes

I don't quite understand what you are saying, but from the post I believe you are trying to say that Riot shouldnt care about anyone who hasn't gone pro. That statement is completely false. Companies are reliant on consumers. That's where they make their money. **And the consumers are us. **Without consumers, Riot wouldnt host things like LCS because they wouldn't have the money to host it. Besides, from the staff I have seen talk about the game. They are passionate. I truly believe that Riot would like to maintain the great atmosphere they have created and keep peope entertained and happy. You can meet so many people through just a few games and that's what makes the experience so great. It's social. **And the experience is for everyone. **I hope that Riot continues to entertain and not stray down a path of favoring certain people and purely creating things for money.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I am saddened. You either didn't read the whole thing. or you missed the context. If you didn't read it I understand. If you didn't get the context give a one more read. Look at the escape velocity analogy. "What was" vs "What is". Is Microsoft reliant upon individuals the same way a fledgling company is?

I give little teeny wincy ittibitty shits about what Riot employees say vs the time it takes them to roll something out. If you work at a company doing something "important" and it takes you a year, You'd be fired. Literally one guy must be doing the Tribunal. One man on a monumental task sounds like its a priority to them.

They said they are working on Taric's model and particles so he will roll out new in 2016. WTF. Do they make everything from scratch? Someone needs to teach RIOT how to recycle assets. There timetables for what they "care about" are @#$%!

Xonra1 votes

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I am saddened. You either didn't read the whole thing. or you missed the context. If you didn't read it I understand. If you didn't get the context give a one more read. Look at the escape velocity analogy. "What was" vs "What is". Is Microsoft reliant upon individuals the same way a fledgling company is?

I give little teeny wincy ittibitty shits about what Riot employees say vs the time it takes them to roll something out. If you work at a company doing something "important" and it takes you a year, You'd be fired. Literally one guy must be doing the Tribunal. One man on a monumental task sounds like its a priority to them.

They said they are working on Taric's model and particles so he will roll out new in 2016. WTF. Do they make everything from scratch? Someone needs to teach RIOT how to recycle assets. There timetables for what they "care about" are @#$%!

So basically, you have some false opinion, argue with people who disagree with your opinion, ignore obvious things Riot employees say to the contrary of your opinion, then just repeat your opinion.

lol You should keep going, cause you are totally getting your point across and not looking silly at all.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Sarcasm is one step above mockery. That puts it at step number 2. nah, step one. No points for mockery.

3TWarrior1 votes

the problem is that each part of riot (which I think someone said had like 125 employees) is individual from the rest

such as whoever designed ekko probably put him in in this wild state because he's cool, not because they thought he would be healthy

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