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Ranked being Corrupted. Riot plz help.

Caytheles··16 votes·2,821 views

So ive been playing ranked, i pride myself as a skilled support and usually dominate if all my lanes dont completely bomb. However, Recently now that spring break is here and the 11 year olds can stay up late. Ranked has been hell especially with someone trying to burst out of Elo Hell.

I Enjoy looking at the stats of my Teammates whether its Win or Lose, and some i see that ..THEY DONT EVEN HAVE RUNES and their masteries are completely illogical. then i look at the match history and its complete losses in ranked or wins in Co,Op vs Al. Their must be some kind of Proving grounds we would have o go to to play ranked. it is honestly hurting how hard some people work but how others who dont understand ruin the game. They can go to normals and they will be accepted somewhat. but ranked affects our appearance,

Here is a System i Created that might help our cause

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AgahRm94-the-keep-it-tight-system

37 Comments

Caytheles4 votes

Please comment guys. if enough of you speak out then maybe riot will think of something.

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP4 votes

You, my friend, are facing low skill.

this is not the problem across all ELO's.

We need to get rid of the Leavers, Rage quitters, Excessive toxics that throw on purpose, and people that ruin the game.

This is what ruins the game, not low skill.

Please support http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wsAuQlXx-riot-logic-giving-leavers-lp-penalty-messes-up-system-deleted-twice-cause-of-truth

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP2 votes

Low skill can hinder your success, but it does not out right cause you a loss

Caytheles3 votes

Low skill takes a part of it. skill also refers to the knowlege of the game. (Map Awareness, Damage output, Damage Absorption, Warding, Knowing your limits) when people dont know that then they most likely lose games due to lack of the knowlage. they may have their skillshots 200% but if they cant do the rest then they leave a big gap. and become Heavy.

Sona Ping3 votes

"ELO Hell" "I'm losing cause my teammates"

The response to this is the same response as the one give to the last thousand complaints identical to it.

"If you were actually as skilled as you think you are, you would not be matched with these people."

And if you or the next guy were actually placed in a higher division with its higher skill level, you would complaining about a Jungle Twisted Fate instead and blaming your not being higher on ELO hell again.

People who believe in "ELO hell" believe every division is ELO Hell. It's not a thing, it's a mindset. And from what I'm told by people who have been through every rank, the actual hell, if there is one: It's Platinum.

Caytheles2 votes

You remember provisionals. How lovely that was? well i got put on bronze 1. wasnt too mad, was about to get to gold as a support. then i lost two ranks and recently went back to basics to refresh my skills. i started winning again. but you cant tell me i dont have the right to say teammates weigh you down when i feed my adc 8/2/3 my score is 3/3/9, but top lane and mid lane are 1/8/2 and jg dies twice to red. i am not the only one who suffers... i think about my adc always... and it must suck to lose when you are fed. All i am trying to say is their should be a test or a process. Whats wrong with doing normals? i do them and dominate because i get paired with summoners from last season. Thank you for your input. but its not much help.

Sona Ping1 votes

I've had those games. Games where the other lanes lose, games where player make dumb mistakes. We've ALL had those games. Including the enemy team. Including me. And yes, loses happen from them. It's a team game, of course that would happen. Team effort and all. But what is the truth? The truth is that the enemy team is going to be just as bad as however bad you think your team is. It's why these players are matched together. They are going to make just as many dumb mistakes that can be used to win as your team did.

All i am trying to say is their should be a test or a process.

First I'm seeing this but okay.

My question to you is "What would that solve?"

You have seen the process that is used for filtering players like you say you want. It's called "Ranked Play". That's what ranked does. These players with bad decisions and poor builds who make a lot of big mistakes. They have gotten filtered together and placed appropriately. already.

Caytheles2 votes

Apperrently not. Thank you for your help. But if you look at the Edit i added a link that could solve it. it would minimize the damage and wouldnt be so bad for the people who may manage. Please check it out. i would enjoy your input very much on that link.

Fefnil3 votes

How about making ranked accept people with a minimum MMR requirement?

Caytheles3 votes

Yeah. like Warcraft, you would need a Certain (Item Level) in order to do things. is this what you mean?

Fefnil3 votes

Yeah, sort of. You need to adjust your mmr in normals, and after you get to a certain level you can play ranked. If you lose mmr and fall again under the threshold you can't play ranked until you rise again in normals. This should keep no runes, afkers, trollers with poor mmr out, hopefully.

Caytheles1 votes

I got it!!! look at my new Boards post. i think i found the solution. i will have link edited in

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP6 votes

This will solve nothing. ranked is competitive play.

There has to be a user base that, for lack of a better word, are bad players. Without them, the good players would not shine. Yes, what you are suggesting may lead to better game quality, but it will also hurt alot of newer, unskilled players. You are allowed to be unskilled, as long as you are trying. That is not a bannable offense.

You are frustrated because you happen to be unluckily placed on their team a high % of times. Riot acknowledges this, but with their growing user base they know there is no way to fairly solve this. playing more games will help to balance out your luck, and stabilize your skill.

On the other hand, people who leave, troll, and purposely lose are definitely NOT trying. They need to be reprimanded first and foremost.

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP1 votes

I am not disagreeing with your system, I am just saying there are higher priorities that needs to be fixed in Ranked play first.

Caytheles1 votes

Click the link and see the comments. the commenters made quite the Fortress adding on to the Keep it Tight System. have a look :D

Raptamei1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, sort of. You need to adjust your mmr in normals, and after you get to a certain level you can play ranked. If you lose mmr and fall again under the threshold you can't play ranked until you rise again in normals. This should keep no runes, afkers, trollers with poor mmr out, hopefully.

That's what the game needs, more tryhards in normals.

Ice Weasel X2 votes

That doesn't mean ranked is corrupted. It simply means you're at a low enough MMR that players with odd masteries and no runes are ranked similarly.

Caytheles2 votes

True, but sometimes its just too much. when you get 10 games in a row with someone or even a pair with no runes and odd masteries you just lose hope of ever cling. I respect your comment, but some people need to be tested by their skill if they wanna do ranked.

Ice Weasel X1 votes

{quoted}

True, but sometimes its just too much. when you get 10 games in a row with someone or even a pair with no runes and odd masteries you just lose hope of ever cling. I respect your comment, but some people need to be tested by their skill if they wanna do ranked.

That's sort of built into the MMR structure, though. A while back, I used 3rd party stats sites like LoLNexus and Quickfind during the loading phase of every game to see average MMR estimates, runes, masteries, and ranks of players in my games. During that time, I played in games as low as 900 average MMR and as high as 1500 average MMR. When I dipped below 1000, it was very common to see players with 21+ offense masteries as supports, empty runelists, or runelists where no rune types were repeated. In games over 1200 average MMR, that sort of thing was so rare that I almost forgot it happened.

Having skill shouldn't be a barrier to playing ranked. The whole point of ranked is that it is the skill test. Even the worst players should be allowed to play ranked. They'll just end up at the bottom of the pack.

You're currently Bronze 2. I'm not mentioning that as an insult or to invalidate your opinion, but because it matches my own experience in unranked games. The baseline of 1200 is low Silver, if I'm not mistaken (if anyone knows differently, please say so). The point where I started seeing a lot of players with the sort of setup you described was mid-high Bronze MMR. That's where their performance places them consistently. The ones you see at mid-high Bronze either are consistently better than the majority of Bronze players below them, or they are on their way down to join the worse players. If players with an account handicap of mastery/rune mishandling manage to climb higher, then they probably deserve it for winning at a disadvantage.

Pastramka2 votes

There is a proving ground, bronze.

Caytheles2 votes

But it affects our scores in the long run. You can also duo with someone but some teams are too heavy even if both of you win your lanes, you also have the Trolls, the intentional feeders, the no runes, the "i got the skin i can ranked" and the AFKs

Pastramka1 votes

Yes I know, i some times lay of ranked for a week just to get my luck refiled :)

I just thought of something , do u think this can help?

Caytheles2 votes

I have added a link that might solve this issue

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wsAuQlXx-riot-logic-giving-leavers-lp-penalty-messes-up-system-deleted-twice-cause-of-truth

This is what actually needs to be done

Caytheles2 votes

Saw it. both of our systems would bring justice.

Eedat2 votes

To be honest thee needs to be a division lower than Bronze. The difference between Bronze 1 and Bronze 5 is staggering

ladention1 votes

..THEY DONT EVEN HAVE RUNES

Unfortunately, due to strict parents, and school, most kids aren't able to play enough to buy runes as runes are extremely expensive for people who play less then a game a day.

Caytheles2 votes

Yet they decide to go into ranked...

ladention1 votes

The problem is that is can take a long time to get the runes, and people want to play ranked, and they don't want to play for over half a year or more to get runes and rune pages. Maybe they shouldn't play ranked, but the rune system is still fucked up.

Caytheles1 votes

Then that is them being ignorant of the Rank System and Not thinking about their Teammates. but i know this System wouldnt be practiced. XD

tTops1 votes

The problem with the argument "I'm getting less-skilled players on my team" is that 10 players are selected based on MMR, THEN they are randomly assigned to teams. Also, if the average skill of the pool of players playing ranked decreases, if your skill stays the same or increases, you should expect to climb.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but "elo hell" is solo queue, not a section of solo queue. If you want to win, you need to carry. So fire up that blitzcrank and start roaming mid. The struggle to climb is being able to win games even when your lanes bomb.

But overall, having more "11 year-olds" playing ranked should make your climb easier, assuming you're improving at a reasonable rate and doing what's required of you to carry your team.

Also, I agree with Mojo regarding leavers, trolls, and so on. Skill-level distribution is what ranked is about. Gold players are only there because they are better than silvers, yet worse than plats. Therefore, if Riot implements a system to remove the weaker players, now the slightly stronger players look weaker in comparison, and everyone would expect to drop considerably, in terms of ladder ranking, to fill the void where the weaker players once were.

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Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

I feel you. One of my games during daytime christmas break has a Rammus that fed and then sold all his stuff to buy a GA at 20 mins. So he would die less.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

I'll just add that some players can flourish in an environment full of 11 year-olds. These are the ones that pick a dominant champ, get fed out of their minds, and rampage through the game. Most of the time, kids are happy to shut up and be carried by the 25/0 mid.

If you're more of a team-enabler playstyle, weekends and breaks suck. If I know I can consistently win bot and then snowball the game off that, I don't need the risk of getting a potato-brained adc that turns 4/0 into 5/8 or just fails so hard that you can't even get them ahead in the first place.

This applies across the divisions too. That madstone bullshit from last season was a free loss if you do it in silver, but I found it surprisingly effective in plat. Conservative picks can work in diamond, but in bronze you won't be able to outcarry the guy that goes 20/0 as Fiora mid. In really low elo, every other style of jungling is forever pushed out by the bruisers that run around killing whoever they want because nothing is ever warded.

Adapt your playstyle to the current environment, not your LCS fantasy. There's always something super abusable against your current opponents (Pantheon support for bronze seems promising although I've never tried it). You'll have to change your tactics every rank or so, but that's a solid way to climb.

Big Hans1 votes

Im sure it has been stated already but it doesnt matter that your teammates dont have runes or are terrible. The other team has 5 of these people too.

As an actual suggestion stop playing Thresh. Infact stop playing all the champions you have only played once or twice or have a horrible win rate with. Pick a champ you are great at every time. From looking at your stats play Shaco every time if you can.

Worst mistake people do when trying to rank up is trying to fill roles with "counterpicks" and other such nonsense. You can get away with only playing 2 champs if those can fill in all 5 roles.

Coming back to the whole "I lose because of my teammates" thing. Just stop it. You WIN because of your opponents. Its working as intended.

ImHerVoice1 votes

ever since season 3 rolled around the game has become "who has the worst player on either team" Not "who can outperform the other team" it's only getting more blatantly apparent as the game gets older. Shit balancing+ spiker abusers are what make up most of ranked now instead of people like spam happy who played janna top/poppy top to challenger/diamond/plat(season 1).

Bunch of zed/thresh/lee/nami/other XXX broken as fuck character is all you see anymore. And if you don't play those you';re too weak to deal with them and you basically throw away any chance of an early game against half of the FOTM roster because of it lmao.

Kazaashi1 votes

I'd like to hear 1 QQ thread about leavers, feeders, AFKs, and trolls on the enemy team. Its like people only care when it happens to disadvantage them. Unless you are the baddie there is a higher chance the other team is going to get someone with no Runes/Masteries/etc.

Celeste Benal1 votes

All I know is I wreck in normals and can't win in ranked.

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