@Riot The MVP System

Caytheles··166 votes·6,354 views

It seems very rare that we see people with Ribbons on their Borders and or Champ select box, Why? because we arent really reminded that the Honor System exist. Most people are too busy looking for the Red button next to it.

So here is what i Propose, Why not after every match have every player pick the MVP of the game. Can be Enemy or Ally, If an enemy honors you as MVP it will count more than if an ally does (Not much more but if its from the opposing team then you did really good) this will promote good sportsmanship from both teams.

The Ribbon for this would be an Elegant Big Purple ribbon with the center of what rank you are in. if you dont have a rank i the gem will also be purple.

Now the normal Honor system will still be there (Friendly' Helpful, Honorable Opponent, Teamwork) But the MVP system will remind people that such a system works.

Just think about how people will actually WANT to be kind and play well in order to get the MVP vote.

Also, i would also like for more than 1 Ribbon to be on the border of your Loading screen, On each corner and the purple one (if you get it) would be slapped on where the current ribbons are, this will shwo your team what you are made of.

Everyone, we are too busy looking into how we can fix the report system, and working on Making People nice instead of Wanting Them to be nice. So please, remind everyone in the game to Honor. and if they are jerks,... then we know who are the Bad Eggs of the game.

Edit: Since having all Ribbons on at the same time would be way too chaotic, why not let you choose what ribbon you want if you unlock it, so if you unlock the Friendly and the Honorable Opponent, you would be able to choose which one you want to show. Maybe even on your Summoner Profile all ofyour colors could come out as Gems on the banner Right under your name.

You may also be able to see how close you are to a ribbon in your profile, like an Achievement Tab. IF you constantly get honors in a subject then you will raise the bar, but if you go games without getting a vote, then your Bar would decrease.

125 Comments

TurquoiseYoshi23 votes

This is an amazing idea, and also opens up room for "You da real MVP" jokes.

Drugoth1 votes

Sorry for high jacking your top comment, what if we were to further tune this system and implement a 3 stars of the game thing? Like in the NHL!

Sure, there will always be the #1 MVP but sometimes there's more than one player that plays significantly well.

Each star will give ascending amounts of points from 3rd star being the least to 1st star getting the most points toward that trophy!

You could even make it so there can only be 1 MVP holder per division making it more desirable and rewarding to achieve!

Think about it guys, we can expand this system further.

EDIT: To expand on the idea further you could actively see who is the MVP holder by looking at your current league's rankings like you can currently see who is a veteran and on a hot streak from the corresponding icons.

The points system could be called your "Super Star" rating. The amount of points earned for the stars you achieve in game could slide on a scale depending on the amount of points the other "Star Contenders" have achieved vs the amount of points you have, sort of like the current MMR system.

Say for example if you were to be in a game with the MVP and outshine him, (you shining star, you) you'll get a bonus to the amount of points you attain.

You could even reward players who hold the MVP trophy at the end of the season with a special MVP themed skin and come out with a new one every season!

Man I can't stop coming up with ideas now!

TLDR; a player nominated 3 star system like the NHL with a sliding point system and a challenging to attain and maintain singular "Trophy" per league making it more enticing and desirable to attain encouraging teamwork and improving oneself is a great sounding system in theory.

If you would like to expand on my theory or criticize, please feel free :D

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Kind of like the ranking of the top three scoring players on a team in a Dominion match?

Drugoth1 votes

No not really I was thinking more of an end game player nominated thing. Where you can pick from your team as well as the opposing team members.

Caytheles2 votes

Maybe you shouldve put this as a Regular comment XD i barely saw it.

Aundo7 votes

Bumpity bump because this seems legit

Caytheles6 votes

Hey thanks man, do me a favor though? spread this to your friends and family, your kids and grandma, your aunt that lives in a shoe. so they can give it some bumps too!! :D

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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Hey thanks man, do me a favor though? spread this to your friends and family, your kids and grandma, your aunt that lives in a shoe. so they can give it some bumps too!! :D

Malzahar I can give you some bumps ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

MeesterMoo1 votes

LOL

Just got the joke

Linthe5 votes

I think a lot of this is on the players. I generally try to honor people for any good game- both teammates and opponents.

But honoring sort of seems to be mostly a thing of the past.

Caytheles3 votes

Exactly, because people forget that it is a thing. We need more people like you, you remember that the button exists but most dont, thank you for your response and i do hope this goes through.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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Exactly, because people forget that it is a thing. We need more people like you, you remember that the button exists but most dont, thank you for your response and i do hope this goes through.

Honor ribbons go to the top x% of the community, so it doesn't matter if people are honoring less, the same number of ribbons will appear.

The problem is that they haven't sorted it by queue type, so all the people with ribbons play a lot of bot games, where people honor after basically every game.

Crisar4 votes

bump, more positive reinforcement .

Caytheles2 votes

Thank you good sir!

Caytheles2 votes

Bump

Caytheles2 votes

Just, just one more bump i promise, Help me bump it up guys Q_Q

Worst Morgana2 votes

I love this idea. It is way to promote a less caustic community.

Caytheles2 votes

Thank you, your support is much appreciated :)

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Am I allowed to pick myself?

Caytheles1 votes

Well as the current system is. it doesnt give you the option. but i would suppose that yeah, though it would probably be made to have very little impact.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

I only ask because we all have games where our team couldn't find their own asses without a map and yet you still manage to somehow carry them.

njdunkin12 votes

Definitely a terrific idea. +1'ed, friend!

Jason the other2 votes

sooooo u can make you oppenent your most valuable player?? i think this should be limited to your team

Levik2 votes

I like the idea. Maybe have it so you can see the MVP vote results in match history too. That way you know more than just numbers about the game.

Edit: you could even use the current 3 choices to give a reason why this player was the MVP. There have been a lot of games where someone just stepped up as shot caller or peacekeeper which won the game.

Caytheles1 votes

I would agree on that. but then tha would take away abit too much time from players, i mean it is already forcing them to pick someone as MVP. but i think you mean on the "Stats" there could be a MVP Poll to see. YEAH!! that sounds great. Good idea :)

Levik2 votes

I mean it is like at most 3 extra mouse clicks(think multi select box). It would also tie this system with the current system where you would be able to earn the other badges faster with MVP votes.

I actually meant on the Match History web page. Viewing the poll on the end game stats screen would have very little benefit due to the fact that not everyone will vote at the same time.

Jofeyy2 votes

Yeah this system has kinda been left to rot. As someone with over 900 teamworks and no banner, i can see why. I like the redesign idea.

+1 :D

Offended2 votes

This sounds like an amazing idea! Here we are trying to punish players when we could be using positive reinforcement instead! GG man, great idea.

Viperjcs19852 votes

Good idea

COWmanLord1 votes

I think riot has some kind of rework for the honor system somewhere in their list of things that relate to improving the community, but this is a good idea that deserves some consideration. There is already the honorable opponent, but anything to remind people that the honor system exists is worth considering.

Caytheles2 votes

Thank you for your support, i am glad others see this as much of a good idea as i do.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I think people forget that honoring is a thing, and also it's rare you really find someone who is "Helpful" on your team. "Friendly" is a bit easier but still pretty rare in solo queue.

Levik2 votes

Well this is why the MVP system will be more effective. Usually there is always an MVP of the game. The person that steps up to lead, the person who just won lane and won game, or the person who just made the game really enjoyable. Odds are there will be someone who stood out as the MVP in any game you play.

Demacry1 votes

"Just think about how people will actually WANT to be kind and play well in order to get the MVP vote."

I don't think you quite understand what MVP stands for.

Caytheles4 votes

Most Valuable Player.

Caytheles1 votes

Still no Red

rtbf2061059051 votes

Seems like a CS:GO reference :P

Caytheles1 votes

This may be a shocker to alot of people.... but i have never played CS;GO XD

rtbf2061059051 votes

In there at the end of rounds(or matches as a whole) there is sometimes announced the MVP but i am not a regular CS:GO player so i don't know the details myself either.

Aria Storm1 votes

I’m not sure how an MVP system would work because people are often too focused on scores than what someone actually does in the game. Sometimes you can “feed” all game but still pull through for your team. Let me tell you a story:

I was playing Quinn ADC, I was still pretty new with her, and I wasn’t as good with her then as I am now. I don’t remember who the supports on either side were but I was against a Vayne. I counter Vayne, should be an easy lane, right? Sure, but my support (I think it might had been Leona or Malphite) was kinda just pissing in the buss all game and didn’t really do anything for me. They died a few times – my support was – what I sometimes call “feeding me to the enemy laner.” They’d go in, I’d try to engage with them and we’d both die, it happened a couple times before I basically started ignoring my Support’s engages unless the jungler came. At any rate, Vayne gets fed and takes both first and second bot towers rather early in the game. (I think somewhere in the 14 minute mark, maybe earlier) I’m underfed and under farmed, somewhere like 0/6/3 which is already more deaths than what I normally get in any game that’s not an Aram. Anyway, everyone goes mid except for me and their Teemo and teamfight. I figured I wasn’t much use and botlane was pushing so I pushed back while they fought. Took bot’s first tower, bot’s second tower, backed. Teemo was pushing top. Teemo was doing this all game. (I would like to point out that it was before his small kit rework) Teemo wasn’t split-pushing as effectively as me because he didn’t have my kind of clear; I was pushing twice as fast as he was. I’d go top to stop or stall him. Sometimes I’d kill him, sometimes he’s kill me, but no matter what, I’d force him to back. I pushed top’s first tower, then second. They’d underestimate just how fed I had gotten from killing minions. But because at this point I “fed” I wasn’t worth much gold. I was worth about as much as a minion. I could freely push all game without hurting my team because killing me was not only difficult but I wasn’t worth much when they were. Since they sent one person on average, it let my team’s fights in mid turn around and win. So they had to choose between going for the hyper damage dealing minion or winning fights in mid – they often chose mid. Despite my atrocious score, I managed to catch up to Vayne in items. I could 1v1 this 24/3 Vayne and kill her with 3/14 (or worse) score. My team never really yelled at me in the game, they never talked me down, said I was trash, etc. I think they realised whatever I was doing was working out in their favour. I take inhib tower, I take inhib. While they fight in mid, my supers kill one of their nexus towers in the meantime. Teemo was pushing top again, stopped him. Finally, I go mid, take second mid tower, inhib, bot inhib was back, kill it. Push last nexus tower, push nexus. Win.

In the end screen, everyone was saying “gg” and “wp” and “dat comeback lol” but their Jayce was like. “Lol, Quinn was bad, she got carried.” And I’m sitting here like “What? Seriously? /I/ was the one carried?” I’d like to think that their choice to neglect me most of the game, allowing me to farm, allowing me to push down towers, was what won us that game. Our 4v4s in mid ended up in stand stills, only the first mid towers were down without my help. I might not had had the score to show it, but I had over 300 CS, did most damage overall in the game, was full build, max level, and took down EIGHT out the TEN towers we had. (Nine if you count the tower the supers I SPAWNED destroyed.) I was equal strength to their fed as hell Vayne. Me. The ‘feeding’ ADC who was essentially a hyper-buffed super creep because I got barely any kills. I don’t recommend feeding in any way, shape, or form. If it happens, it happens, sometimes it’s unavoidable. But you CAN feed and still make a difference if allowed. The enemy team enabled me to come back; I came back with a vengeance.

Likewise, the opposite has also happened: I was going to go Quinn ADC, this was more recent. Might still be on my match history. Unfortunately for us, the game was unfairly stacked because we had two feeding trolls. I was Quinn against Vayne and Blitz, alone. I knew I couldn’t win lane like this so I abandoned bot to go top. (Riven went jungle, so no matter what, one lane would be forsaken. I was against Aatrox and in short, I kicked his ass. I kicked his ass so hard that the feeding trolls would go to my lane to feed him. I kicked his ass so hard that their jungler and midlanes would gank me. I kicked his ass so hard Aatrox asked me why I was playing so aggressively. And I was, normally I am a passive laner who engages when I have a window (support or jungler coming) but I was being very aggressive and forcing him out of lane, but ALSO preventing him from backing when I could. If this were any other game, if we only had one troll instead of two. We might have been able to win. Despite Vayne’s “free lane” I could kick her ass. I could kick all their asses. I could 3vs1 and come out as the victor. Unfortunately, two trolls hinders you a bit too hard, once I died, the rest of my team would follow suit because not only was I the threat, but I was also the only reason we stayed in game for twice as long as we normally would had. I knew we had two trolls, so I went someone I knew I was good with, someone I knew I could ‘carry’ with. I knew we were going to eventually lose, but my thought was – and I said this in all chat. “You’re going to win no matter what, but I am going to make that as hard as I can for you in order to do so.” And I like to think that I actually succeeded since they treated me like an actual threat and would gank me and so everything possible to stop me. 16/3, my death score was tied lowest in the game I had nearly as many kills as their most “fed” person when two trolls were feeding them. Would the enemy consider me an mvp because we “didn’t win”? Who knows. It works both ways. KDA doesn’t mean everything but people in lower elos think it does. Then the voting for yourself… I think a lot of people WOULD vote for themselves if given an option - especially in Lower elos where a lot of times people think they are a one man band, they are the best of the best, they are god incarnate at this game, and they, without a doubt ‘carried your asses to victory’ there are cases where you are the one that preformed the best or won the game for your team but in the end. It is a TEAM game; even if there is a “best player” in the end you won or lost as a team. Be that team only having three people or be that team lacking their ADCs in team fights because they are pushing objectives.

All that being said, I like the idea of the ribbons, I like the idea of being able to pick the ones you EARNED and I like the idea of not losing them. I actually earned the blue ribbon, which is one of the rarest and hardest to get. But I lost it because I continued to play the game and people no longer handed out honours. I rarely see people with ribbons and when I do I think they are either a smurf or someone who rarely plays. You shouldn’t be “rewarded” for NOT playing the game, I’m sorry but that’s just idiotic.

Caytheles2 votes

And you didnt even put a Tl;dr. lol jk. Honestly the only reason i had the MVP system in mind was to Remind people that Honoring exists. I make it a point to honor people and keep a good attitude and atmosphere in order to keep my ribbon and i play every day and ALOT.

Right now i am acting as the mvp system myself. Almost at the end of every match if we are at a loss, i remind them about the funny moments of the game and sick saves and what not, if they were really teamworthy, i let them know before they finish us off and tell them f i am honoring them. usually i get a "Thanks man :)" or something like that we say gg, after that i always get an honor for being kind, for being skilled in the game, and or not being toxic,,, and they remember that so they take the time to do so. i also say who was the MVP in a game myself or who i thought was and it makes the game alot less toxic.

If we are winning i do the exact same thing :P i simply Remind people that the Honor system is still in place and even if the enemy thresh saved his allies many times, and or avoided an ace by giving himself up i shout out "That thresh is the MVP" makes him feel good. and t the end we get our deserved honors.

I have been able to keep my ribbon for awhile now due to my Words in game, this is proof that the MVP system works. i have seen less Toxivity, more understanding in games with enemies and allies, and the game seems more fun.

That jayce was probably a toxic player, but if he wouldve said that with the MVP system in place. he wouldnt get any MVP votes from your side of the team. Also like i said the Understanding in my games have been raised by alot. so i know when Splitpushing is the key to the victory and or someone with high skill is winning the game. or if their support is just really good and keeps them safe all game.

My account is proof that you can play the game and still keep your ribbon if you play every game, and that a small part of the MVP system that i put into the game with /All chat communication works. and im sure it would work if it was an automated system that reminded as well.

Caytheles1 votes

Not dropping this until i atleaste get a response from Riot, so much support on it and so much good feedback.

Wyvernon1 votes

The system OP describes is similar to something they implemented in Dawngate -- a great Moba that didn't make the splash that EA wanted it to. Their system contained an end game screen which asked you to indicated "all the players that had a positive impact on the game".

The statement was super-generalized so that you came up with your own internalized definition of "positive impact", instead trying to figure what friendly/honorable/teamwork meant this time around and which category each player most strongly matched. It was perfect and elegant in that way.

Rioters have said there is work being done on the honor system, and I've read that they have some ex-dawngaters working there, so it's likely something that takes inspiration from this is in the works.

Caytheles1 votes

Never played Dawngate but thank you for the info, i would however like to see feedback from an actual Red (one of the only popular posts i have seen without one) Thank you for your support

FNC Hyeri1 votes

I'm really sad that I cannot be more excited about this than I am. Damn, this is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. Well documented, too. I support this!

Caytheles1 votes

Thank you my friend, too bad none of the Reds think so :/

Caytheles1 votes

Day 7, still no Response even though it has a high popularity.

Caytheles1 votes

RIP the MVP System

Caytheles1 votes

Forgotten and buried.

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