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Why you'll never build Ludens again [Ludens vs Liandrys]

LunarStrike··3 votes·1,404 views

Not many people Know this, But item 3151 is actually a great replacement for item 3285 . In fact, You should build Liandry's instead of Ludens 99% of the time, and here's why:

The Magic Penetration on Liandry's grants a great supply of burst, more than Ludens would ever give, no matter the matchup. The only advantage to Ludens is it's MS and It's passive (which is quite useless, Becuase 100 (+ 10% AP) bonus will only give you roughly 170+ magic damage to nearby enemies, Which is unreasonable for it's price.

"Shouldnt you only build Liandry's on DPS AP / Tanky enemy?" - I actually got asked this recently. And here's your answer:

Go on Sandbox mode as Lux, place a dummy down and Combo it with the same build except switching up liandrys with ludens. You'll see that at full build with Ludens, Youll do roughly 2200 Damage, whilst With Liandrys, You can do well over 2800. This is against a tank (which is the dummy in this case). Against a squishier target, You'll roughly do 400 more Magic damage to it than you do with Ludens. With Simple Q-E-AA trades, You can do 150+ more damage with Liandrys, Making liandrys a great 3rd item for most mid laners.

Which Means, If you're paying 3200 For Ludens, You better be desperate for the Movement speed or that tiny bit of splash, because you're actually doing less AP for more gold.

For exterior reference, Here's another article supporting my findings.

http://www.lolking.net/news/mid-game-itemization-liandrys-vs-ludens

9 Comments

Starcraft243ver3 votes

Well, movement speed has a high value since it is often the difference between dodging a skill shot or not or being caugh whil fleeing or not.

Also the dummies are always full HP so the liandry always deals max damages to them. But in a real game you can see liandries procs of 0 when the target is low enough.

LunarStrike1 votes

Yeah, true, it could save your life Once, maybe twice every game. That 10% MS still doesnt weigh more valuable to the extra burst you get from liandrys

Starcraft243ver1 votes

That's a choice you have to make. Do you have any numbers to back your claims about the usefullness of MS ?

Shadòw1 votes

10% movement speed are A LOT though

you can better roam across the map, close gaps, escape, dodge with that.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Movement speed.

I find Liandry's is good for starting up the damage train, but Luden's is so much better for closing out kills. You can use normally-weak, insubstantial pokes and they get an extra guaranteed 100 damage slapped on top of their normal damage, plus a bonus 10% of your AP. On champions like Annie who have good bases and scaling, that extra damage can mean making or losing a kill.

Honestly, why not both? Rylai's is the one you want to exclude nowadays since it's less impressive than it used to be, and Liandry's now matches it in stats and has penetration to boot. Luden/Liandry probably fit into the same build easily.

On the other hand? While you're doing tests, you may want to try it with someone who doesn't have CC on their magic damage. Otherwise, you really are building a Rylai to support your Liandry damage. Lux snare is doubling the Liandry bonus.

MorgManBasher1 votes

I get both a lot, personally. Especially on champs that either don't scale well or have that one big poke. Galio Velkoz use the item 3151 item 3285 combo really well with their poke.

It's also a fun build for MissFortune poke build.

Shabada641 votes

Why would you ever get both? As an ADC main, I have not clue how AP items build, but doesn't Luden's burst take away from the damage you would get from Liandry's passive?

MorgManBasher1 votes

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Why would you ever get both? As an ADC main, I have not clue how AP items build, but doesn't Luden's burst take away from the damage you would get from Liandry's passive?

Just think about how those champs work. Vel'koz is not only a burst mage but has a lot of DoT so he gets a lot from liandries, while also getting a lot from ludens for poke damage. MF e and Galio q apply liandries super well, add a ludens proc on top of that for insane burst.

I don't get these 2 items on many champs but they work well together for some. You will see squish's HP disappear with a single spell.

Limmie1 votes

You'll see that at full build with Ludens, Youll do roughly 2200 Damage, whilst With Liandrys, You can do well over 2800.

I'd just like to point out, the target dummy is a horrible way to compare damage when there's %HP damage involved (as is the case with Liandry's) because the dummy has 10K HP and that inflates %HP damage considerably. 2% of 10K is 200 DAM just from the first tick, while against a 3K HP target (which is still a lot even for a tank) it would be just 60 DAM.

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