I miss Zyra Mid Lane

To prioritize champs she does. They'll still hit you if you get too close to them.

Add some base power back into Q IMO. The spell just feels pathetic now anyway.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

In my opinion mid laners should have some way to carry the game within the first few levels (or by scaling hard late), this can be by getting kills or roaming. At the moment Zyra isn't really good at either. Her passive plants spawn near her which means she best when the fight comes to her since she can disengage it, which is more of a support-like function than an AP carry.

Usually I think being oppressive is considered a bad thing.

Before Zyra only had two plants that hurt way more than the current ones. You could have more if you planted seeds ahead of time which required planning. Now days Zyra's plants take much less skill to use because 2/3 or them are placed for you and you probably won't be punished for using your cd's on only plants since your abilities have less damage than before anyway. Before she could only zone during her W cd window and only with her W seeds. She gets so many free seeds now so that the only way to avoid them is to fall back most of the time. She covers way more area around her with a with way less down time (since she has two ways of spawning seeds).

That's understandable too. Just sometimes i feel her E should just deal damage to the minions it comes into contact with which will then compensate to now having a 2s root instead of 1.75s in my opinion. maokais ult is like that so, might as well. I'd also like a visual update on her E as well since it's fairly old. I also did a post regarding some fun concept ideas for skills for Zyra or even another plant champion which i hope they come out with :) even if their of Vastaya nature.

I too run full magic pen and build the same way when i'm in support. I just feel i never have seeds available so that's one of my complaints since she's too reliant on them and her passive is too random to rely on.

"Really strong CC", I.E her root that lasts for 1.75s unlike other mages like Morgana, Lux, Maokai EVEN Ivern who have 2s roots? REGARDLESS if their roots only target 1-2 targets. But anyways, at the top of the "immobile mages list" she ranks as number 1 and it'll just keep getting worse with the amount of new mobile champions entering league.

They do not, but you have to follow up with an AA to target plants to an enemy.

Tbh, Lich Bane has always been an underrated item on Zyra. It's especially strong if you need to carry in low elo because it's so good for taking structures while your team plays around with Scuttles.

Stat-wise it's actually a really good first item, even if the spellblade damage isn't particularly great as a first item. The MS is a main thing you want from an early Luden's. The mana and CDR are the main things you want from an early Morello. You get some of both from Lich Bane, and the spellblade is just a bonus.

They do not, but you have to follow up with an AA to target plants to an enemy.

Tbh, Lich Bane has always been an underrated item on Zyra. It's especially strong if you need to carry in low elo because it's so good for taking structures while your team plays around with Scuttles.

Stat-wise it's actually a really good first item, even if the spellblade damage isn't particularly great as a first item. The MS is a main thing you want from an early Luden's. The mana and CDR are the main things you want from an early Morello. You get some of both from Lich Bane, and the spellblade is just a bonus.

Ratios are .6 on Q, .5 on E, and .7 on R. That's a 1.8 ratio for an entire rotation (minus plants). For comparison, Katarina's ult has a 2.9 AP ratio by itself and a 5.15 AP ratio in a total combo (minus additional bonus and total AD ratios).