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I wish ADCs played more like Fighters/Battle Mages

HarrowR·4/6/2018, 6:10:19 PM·3 votes·565 views

Everyone is complaining about the incredible damage creep,and i think a lot of it has to do with ADCs and crit. e.g Crit does lots of damage so tanks get buffed,ADCs cant kill a tank fast enough before they die so a support gets buffed,Assassins are now useless so they get buffed etc.

What i think might benefit all is a complete overhaul of the marksmen,more specifically adc,class. Insted of being team oriented,squishy,glass canon that holds most of your team damage in his hands,why not just even the playing field. Remove crit,or at least add some different items that will make ADCs feel more like Ranged bruiser DPS champs. You would probably need to lower their AA range,but instead of going all crit, You'd go for items like BoTRK,Trinity,and possibly some other items that are specifically introduced for the marksmen role,for example an AD version of this new Liandry,or something like a reworked Phantom Dancer that would give you AD instead of crit and some HP maybe

Its important to note that most of their damage should be in their abilities,preferably low-medium cd low-medium damage abilities that you can use often to DPS,similar to Swain or Ryze Q. That way more of their damage will be in their abilities and less in their AAs so you don't get crited to death and you can actually dodge their damage

All in all after the rework the class would lose out on extra crit damage,especially vs squishy targets,but would be more durable,and would do good damage vs tanks. Esentially putting them on the same damage to durability ratio as mages/fighters,making them viable to go to any other lane while at the same time other classes would be more viable to go bot lane,or just be viable and be able to carry more,for example a bruiser top Jax wouldn't die in 2 seconds on the frontline since the ADC isnt doing 400 damage crits,but 200 damage per hit,giving him time to lifesteal and deal damage,the offset though is you can't flash instakill an adc no more than you could flash instakill Jax.

Team fights i think would be much more interesting with less damage in them,giving people more time to dish out said damage,and actually do a rotation or two before they die,also 1v1s as an adc wouldn't feel like nuke or be nuked,you could actually go for those epic 10-15 seconds duels.

Edit: Im an ADC main since S1,i dont think crit is op,i'd just like more AD caster type ADCs that focus more on their abilities and can build something other than crit,a good example of this is Ezreal Another good example of what i have in mind is Swain/Ryze/Cassiopea ,Low CDs,Ability based DPS while also being somewhat durable,like i already mentioned maybe a new item for an ADC that gives AD AS and some HP,by saying that we should delete crit i dont mean its op,i just want it out of the way for something new,a new playstyle for a Marksmen class,somewhat durable AD Casters

21 Comments

Hexs Fortune4/6/2018, 8:18:37 PM2 votes

Heroes of the Storm plays that way with auto attacks doing less burst damage.

Fights tend to be much slower paced as a result.

Imo this makes the gameplay a bit less exciting

Therion774/6/2018, 7:39:47 PM2 votes

Let's go through the list of magical champions that 1-shot me as an ADC on a daily basis.

Wukong Akali Diana Talon Zed Kassadin Jax etc. etc. etc.

If you think ADCs have much of an impact at all anymore, then you're wrong. ADCs are only as good as the front line protecting them. Some games I get to do absolutely NOTHING other than hang around in the back waiting for an opportunity to kill something and not die .Just about every ADC on the market is nothing more than a glass cannon waiting to get popped and erased from a fight.

Ixoziel4/6/2018, 7:28:35 PM1 votes

But ADC crit / crit damage has been static since the beginning of time. What makes you think there's a powercreep? IE is actually weaker than it once was. Tristana probably does the exact same damage she did 6 years ago when you're just considering her Q / auto attacks. Like this is established stuff.

Furthermore noncrit ADCs are still played a LOT in competitive. Ezreal, Varus and Kog remain premium picks. Where is this newfound obsession with "crit op" coming from?

Ralik0984/6/2018, 7:30:22 PM1 votes

I wish fighters had as much impact as ADCs.

Cacomiztle4/6/2018, 8:24:02 PM1 votes

I think delaying the late game of adcs its a good option. I made a post where i talk about remove the crit chance from item 1018 items.

I dont wanna spam, but i want to know what do you thing about it.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/ZGAs4K4U-not-a-cry-post-but-a-suggestion

ZaneShadow4/6/2018, 9:06:57 PM1 votes

I mean, then play fighters or Battle mages. ADC are by definition not going to play like that. The closest you'll get is urgot, but he doesn't go in that role for a good reason. ADC are designed to do most their damage with auto attacks. Their job is to take towers. You have to do that with auto attacks. They fill a tactical niche that also happens to be extremely important: the sustain damage kings. They need to die easily as a result, but thats just the name of the game.

If your really determined to play like a fighter though, Kai'Sa or Ezreal pick up either Death's Dance or Iceborn Gauntlet (respectively) making them a lot tankier than normal. Sivir has a spell shield. Graves is kinda exactly what your talking about, though his range is currently too low to be in the bot lane. He's good in the jungle though!

Lord of Math4/6/2018, 6:13:47 PM1 votes

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saltran4/6/2018, 10:31:26 PM1 votes

I find interesting the idea and take my upvote but I voted no since I enjoy the glass cannon and team reliant style.

InTheory4/6/2018, 6:14:39 PM1 votes

What i think might benefit all is a complete overhaul of the marksmen,more specifically adc,class.

I think something like that is planned for Mid season. And every time something like that is "planned" it ends up being number tweaks after months of work. I don't trust Riot that they will change the classes definition and foundation ever.