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ZILEAN REWORK CURRENTLY IN THE PBE!

warpenguin555··6 votes·2,433 views

Attack range reduced to 550 from 600 Base armor increased to 19.134 from 17.134 Time Bomb (Q) !

    [ Now thrown at a location and sticks to first unit that comes around it (prioritizes champs)
    "Placing two bombs on a unit detonates the first bomb early, stunning all enemies in the blast for X seconds."

    [ Damage Changes]
    Now Detonates after 3 seconds , down from 4 

    Mana cost lowered to 60/70/80/90/100 from 70/85/100/115/135

    Cooldown lowered to 12/11/10/9/8 

Rewind (W) now notes it only reduces "basic" spell cooldown instead of "all of".
Timewarp (  E ) 

    Mana cost lowered to 50/55/60/65/70 from 80 at all ranks

    cooldown lowered to 15 seconds at all ranks from 20 seconds at all ranks

    Slow/Speed now 40/55/70/85/99% for 2.5 seconds from 55% at all ranks for 2.5/3.25/4/4.75/5.5 seconds

Chronoshift (R)

    Cooldown lowered to 120/90/60 from 180 at all ranks

    Duration lowered to 5 seconds from 7 seconds

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/210-pbe-update.html#more

39 Comments

Stephenizgod5 votes

Hmm i kinda knew that with Tristana's bomb thing they would change Zileans to be more similar to hers, im sad its not point and click anymore another win for mobility creep :(

MrBuffington2 votes

I wonder why they didn't make Tristana's bomb a skillshot then either, since a lot of people complain about that. They seem to have buffed the range though so that's really exciting; hoping the skillshot won't be slow as balls though; that's my biggest fear right now; hopefully S@20/someone puts up videos soon.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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I wonder why they didn't make Tristana's bomb a skillshot then either, since a lot of people complain about that. They seem to have buffed the range though so that's really exciting; hoping the skillshot won't be slow as balls though; that's my biggest fear right now; hopefully S@20/someone puts up videos soon.

The PBE isn't up yet, so thats why there are no videos

kitcat3001 votes

Tristana needs to commit some auto attacks to get any real value out of the move. If your tagging them and walking away, your using it wrong.

MrBuffington1 votes

I know, they could just make the bomb targetable so it's ground targeted until someone picks it up like Zilean's bomb. Like it wouldn't function any differently than Zilean's bomb except you'd target it with auto attacks instead of a second bomb.

Rinky Dinky2 votes

Actually, with Zileans new speedboost, this is an indirect buff to alot of champions.

disregardable2 votes

EW NO :( RIOT Y U BREAK MY FAVORITE SUPPORT

I FINALLY buy his Shurima skin and you break him :(

Flay and Pray3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-02-10T19:51:02.703+0000)

EW NO :( RIOT Y U BREAK MY FAVORITE SUPPORT

I FINALLY buy his Shurima skin and you break him :(

"Broken" was what Zilean was before these changes. He was an odd case however, due to his incredibly annoying laning phase, and undodgeable constant harass. This rework gives him more options, more combo oriented, more counterplay, and a higher skill cap. I haven't played it myself, but from the looks of this I can have fun playing as and playing against Zilean now.

disregardable2 votes

He already had counterplay. It is called heals and especially shields. You literally cannot take him into a lane with either, and that has not been changed with this rework. Instead, it's just significantly harder to lane all around. It's made his spells higher risk with less impact with a particularly worse laning phase. How is that more fun? This is just a flat out hard nerf.

Flay and Pray4 votes

He already had counterplay. It is called heals and especially shields. You literally cannot take him into a lane with either, and that has not been changed with this rework. Instead, it's just significantly harder to lane all around. It's made his spells higher risk with less impact with a particularly worse laning phase. How is that more fun? This is just a flat out hard nerf.

I completely disagree. He had counterplay, and he still does of course. But now he actually risks something for using his Q other than maybe getting too close to an enemy. You also said the new Q is "less impact" when this made him have a much larger impact. His new Q can stun everyone hit by the secondary explosion, making him combo oriented with his rewind all the while giving him more counterplay to his harass and giving him a bigger impact on the game. I think his Q rework was perfect.

disregardable2 votes

You're assuming you'll actually be capable of landing 2 on the same target. Ignoring the fact that your enemy is not going to let you hit them with AOE damage in the same spot twice in a row, Rewind still only removes 10 seconds off of the CD. Your level 1 Q is a 12 second cooldown, and the bombs detonate in 3 seconds. Think you can press the buttons in 1 second? At levels 3 and 4 you get a moderate increase, 2 whole seconds to not screw up your AOE spell. It isn't until level 5 that you get an actual chance of hitting something, and if it's as small as a xerath ult, it'll just be impossible to hit them quickly and accurately enough anyway.

More fun? Not seeing it. I can see how the stun has more potential for impact in extremely limited situations, but his presence in laning is extremely diminished. Which, by the way, good luck playing ZIlean mid with this.

Flay and Pray3 votes

You're assuming you'll actually be capable of landing 2 on the same target. Ignoring the fact that your enemy is not going to let you hit them with AOE damage in the same spot twice in a row, Rewind still only removes 10 seconds off of the CD. Your level 1 Q is a 12 second cooldown, and the bombs detonate in 3 seconds. Think you can press the buttons in 1 second? At levels 3 and 4 you get a moderate increase, 2 whole seconds to not screw up your AOE spell. It isn't until level 5 that you get an actual chance of hitting something, and if it's as small as a xerath ult, it'll just be impossible to hit them quickly and accurately enough anyway.

More fun? Not seeing it. I can see how the stun has more potential for impact in extremely limited situations, but his presence in laning is extremely diminished. Which, by the way, good luck playing ZIlean mid with this.

Considering it is AOE of course you can land two on the same target, this is a nerf to his laning phase, but a huge buff to his late game which was extremely lacking. Before you start complaining about it, play it first, or watch other people play it. Everyone complained about the ahri "nerfs" when they were on PBE but now everyone is saying she's overpowered now. It will be much easier than it seems to land two Q's.

disregardable1 votes

I complained about the Tristana nerf/"rework" when everyone thought it would be great. I was right, she is completely clunky and boring to play with now, and everyone still thinks it's great. I played her a lot in the preseason, but now I don't touch her. I'm sad to lose Zilean too. I really liked him.

It's not a buff to his late game, by the way. His late game was 40 second ultimates with permaspeed ups and slows. It sucks, because I need to find a new AP support I'm not horrible with.

Flay and Pray2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-10T22:01:08.944+0000)

I complained about the Tristana nerf/"rework" when everyone thought it would be great. I was right, she is completely clunky and boring to play with now, and everyone still thinks it's great. I played her a lot in the preseason, but now I don't touch her. I'm sad to lose Zilean too. I really liked him.

It's not a buff to his late game, by the way. His late game was 40 second ultimates with permaspeed ups and slows. It sucks, because I need to find a new AP support I'm not horrible with.

I don't see how it makes Tristana less interesting to play. All they did was change her E, from a point and click to something fun to use that has a larger effectiveness at a higher risk. His ultimate is now a 60 second cooldown rank 3 without CDR so it will STILL be up most of the time. But you can now save rewind for comboing basic abilities.

disregardable1 votes

Played it yet? Ready to admit that I was right and that this is a complete unusable nerf? I'm not gonna lie, it is even worse than I expected.

Flay and Pray1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-02-25T15:20:58.918+0000)

Played it yet? Ready to admit that I was right and that this is a complete unusable nerf? I'm not gonna lie, it is even worse than I expected.

I'm ready to admit it made him more fun to play and overall a much better champion. I adore this change, unlike some other changes riot has made.

disregardable1 votes

You have a very twisted idea of fun...and better, for that matter.

Envy Sin2 votes

More like a massive buff list then a rework.

Kögâ2 votes

"lel, zilean slows? who cares?" - Everyone in the league of dashes

The Red Warden2 votes

I really wish that they changed the passive too, right now it is mostly useless and one of the worst in game (next to Fiora in terms of strength)

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Red Warden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-02-10T23:12:21.155+0000)

I really wish that they changed the passive too, right now it is mostly useless and one of the worst in game (next to Fiora in terms of strength)

At least Fiora's doesn't become completely useless once everyone hits level 18.

Yasu0 is dog2 votes

Zil can nuke Kalista pretty good, better nerf him

Cuz19721 votes

I'll miss the perma speed up / down, but I like the idea of the new bombs.

disregardable1 votes

And you know they're just going to nerf that speed up/slow. There's no way they'll let another wither go live.

Kingsgrave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-10T19:58:59.051+0000)

And you know they're just going to nerf that speed up/slow. There's no way they'll let another wither go live.

Wither was nerfed because it slowed AS by too much. They didn't touch the MS iirc

Abyssphere1 votes

Nice, hopefully they'll allow him to be good now. 99% slow is insane, and the stun should be cool.

Terff1 votes

yay an even shorter ultimate cooldown! NEVER WILL ZILEAN NEED COOLDOWNS!

ImTheSideKick1 votes

well rewind doesn't effect ult anymore

Terff1 votes

wait really? LAAAME I liked my 30s CD ult

ImTheSideKick1 votes

Rewind (W) now notes it only reduces "basic" spell cooldown instead of "all of".

killd0zer1 votes

They lowered the base CD tho. Its 60 Rank 3 with no CDR

ImTheSideKick1 votes

right so with 40% cdr its a whooping 36 seconds

Terff1 votes

Ooo so not much different than before. I think I did the math before and it ended up being around a 33 second cooldown if you constantly spam rewind

Duke Anax1 votes

Did they just make cdr useless on him?

At least with rewind affecting base coolodwn. it sounds as if cdr would reduce the effectiveness of rewind.

ImTheSideKick2 votes

basic spells - as in - q w e, not r

not base

Kingsgrave3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Duke Anax,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zpiRbTAy,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-02-10T20:16:24.810+0000)

Did they just make cdr useless on him?

At least with rewind affecting base coolodwn. it sounds as if cdr would reduce the effectiveness of rewind.

It doesnt reduce the base CD, it still functions the same as it does on live. Reduces CDs by 10 akin to a reset almost.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Then put it on the PBE forums! They're there for a reason!

DanofDemacia1 votes

Great now he's fucking broken that ult every 60 seconds :/ and a slow thats a root yay. As if he wasn't annoying enough in aram.

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