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Stop complaining about Garen and Darius, they aren't even that good

Rain NT··7 votes·1,755 views

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They are so easy to kite and outplay its ridiculous. I barely see them in platinum.. no one plays them cause they are so easy to outplay and counterpicked. This is also pre nerf Garen

And I play with 20-30 fps dropping to 0 sometimes

http://prntscr.com/8eo60n Look at the shtty internet I have with a shtty computer to top it off sometimes (to be fair I lose when my ping gets that high) But MY COMPUTER IS TRASH, and I still slap the bricks out of Garen and Darius on a daily.. I dont care if youre bronze, just kite them.. get an anti-tank champ, get a ranged champion, peel them off your adc and just kill them.

Like I smile in joy the moment I see them on the other team.. Get your kids, call your wife, tell her "we won the lottery baby!!" Its a free win!

11 Comments

redniwediS4 votes

Before the Juggernaut update Garen was considered a counter to Nasus. Nasus didn't really get a power increase worth noting from the Juggernaut changes, but Garen did.

As a Garen main I still pick Nasus into Garen, because defeating Garen is a matter of playstyle more than anything. People really need to learn how to learn, so they QQ less and figure out how to overcome their problems more.

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

Pick gnar

call it all day

Rain NT1 votes

See this guy fucking gets it, Gnar = ranged+tank killer+CC+tank = dead garen and darius

Xemeron2 votes

THe problem is not that they are unbeatable. The problem is that to just keep them from murdering everyone in your team you have to use so many cooldowns and important spells, that the rest of their team can just jump you and murder you. Either their team will slaughter you cause you had to use all your hard CC to stop the juggernaut, or the Juggernaut will, cause you didnt hard CC him.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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THe problem is not that they are unbeatable. The problem is that to just keep them from murdering everyone in your team you have to use so many cooldowns and important spells, that the rest of their team can just jump you and murder you. Either their team will slaughter you cause you had to use all your hard CC to stop the juggernaut, or the Juggernaut will, cause you didnt hard CC him.

hence juggernaut O.O tanks not top pick anymore time to press buff to dance riot logic V.V

Rain NT1 votes

Lol thats the exact same thing with bruisers. I rather deal with Darius and Garen over a Sated Shyvana.... Look the differences okay? Shyvana can get EVEN TANKIER than darius and does more consistence damage than darius and aoe damage and is better against tanks with a good gapcloser. Shyvana also does more damage than garen and gets almost as tanky with a better MS buff and a good gap closer.

All you guys crying about Garen and Darius when there is better picks in this game. I rather deal with Darius and Garen over dealing with a good Irelia or bruiser Wukong. Atleast Garen and Darius are easier to peel and does less damage than Irelia and Wukong. Not to mention Wukong does ALOT more in teamfights and has a really strong engage/gap closer and does more damage than Garen and Darius.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34750048?champion=62 - most of the games I've lost with Wukong is because of my shtty internet or my team is really really bad.

And I play adc too, and I rather deal with Darius and Garen any time of the week.. because if youre a good adc you can kill them alone if you have botrk or red buff and orbwalk. I have beat fed garen and darius all the time just with 2 items as ADC cause they can never reach me. Late game LW is a must need against Garen though.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34750048?champion=15 - Sivir http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34750048?champion=81 - Ezreal, check my scores (I'm always positive)

And you say its impossible to kill them, actually it takes around 4-8 seconds to kill them if you focus them. And if they are building full tank than youre ADC can prob kill them alone with just a support cause they wont do damage to you anyway if you have some sort of lifesteal and they have no gapcloser to deal with you.

Its that easy to beat them.. theres sooooo many better champions. I rather ban Xin Shyvana Skarner Eve Vi, junglers who can snowball the lanes and auto win game than top laners that can be countered top lane and be useless or be kited late game and be useless.

Here are the charts on a weekly: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=bronze - BRONZE http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=platinum - PLATINUM http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond - DIAMOND http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=challenger - MASTER+

The moment he hits platinum, you dont see him anymore.. you know why? cause hes easy to counter in lane with ranged champions or champions who scales or does true damage while being a bit tanky and they are so easy to kite. You can kill them alone with Ezreal with just Manamune Frozen Fist Botrk/LW.. with just 3 items, you can kill them, alone.. they will never touch you. Vayne can kill them alone, Sivir can kill them alone if you have the right mechanics to orbwalk. Some adc does it better than most but they all can kill them alone. And I'm a top lane MAIN

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

lol they are newb champions.... they are easy to play and not easy to kite or outplay at all :/ garen can actually get out of cc with a skill and spin to dmg while tanking and cause 1900 true damage in 1 skill.... all you need to do is tank and watch health of the opponent....

darius is just as bad.... he is all that + bleed and gap closer.....

Rain NT1 votes

They are soooo easy to kite.. Garen can only remove ONE slow and he still vulnerable to hard CC, and he only does billion damage to the villian and even then if he builds damage, he dies in less than 8 secs if you focus him. If he builds tank, he doesnt enough damage compare to other champions who also has CC. Garen and Darius are overrated, mostly after the damage nerf on Garen.. he will never see competitive play or even be anywhere near platinum+ cause if youre a tank with no good engage or CC than youre basically useless.

Darius is atleast a bigger lane bully, but he also suffer in the fact he is kited so easily, he can never reach carries without dying, I went 8-2 with Darius and still lost the game cause I can never reach the carries if the other team peels (WHICH THEY ALL DO FROM HIGH GOLD+).. theonly time I win with Garen and Darius is when the other team is terrible or my team is doing amazing to compensate for Juggernaut weak engage.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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They are soooo easy to kite.. Garen can only remove ONE slow and he still vulnerable to hard CC, and he only does billion damage to the villian and even then if he builds damage, he dies in less than 8 secs if you focus him. If he builds tank, he doesnt enough damage compare to other champions who also has CC. Garen and Darius are overrated, mostly after the damage nerf on Garen.. he will never see competitive play or even be anywhere near platinum+ cause if youre a tank with no good engage or CC than youre basically useless.

Darius is atleast a bigger lane bully, but he also suffer in the fact he is kited so easily, he can never reach carries without dying, I went 8-2 with Darius and still lost the game cause I can never reach the carries if the other team peels (WHICH THEY ALL DO FROM HIGH GOLD+).. theonly time I win with Garen and Darius is when the other team is terrible or my team is doing amazing to compensate for Juggernaut weak engage.

1st things first gnar is just op he needs to be nerfed again :/ 2nd :P you are playing garen wrong.... garen tanks and harasses and when your hp is low enough BOOOOOOOOOOOOM! 195713750310570375705 true damage = dead......

get faster boots with darius V.V he actually has a gap closer with bleed.... you grab adc = adc = instakilled O.o lol

Rain NT1 votes

1st Gnar is balanced and has the most balance win/lost ratio 2nd I'm not the greatest Garen and I do play Darius well, doesnt mean that they arent easy to beat 3rd Garen can tank but if youre good, he will never reach your carries when they are low. And if youre good, you peel his ass. 4th Garen is easy to counterpick in lane 5th Rito took away his bleed MS unless you build BC, even if you get faster boots the top/jung/support is enough peel to stop him from reaching carries (not to mention FH and Randiun combo stops his AA completely) 6th ranged champions beats both of them 7th Jayce beats of them REALLY well 8th if Darius is facing me in the top lane, hes going to lose and goodluck trying to grab my adc with your under 550range E (btw almost all adc has 550+ range)

Darius+Garen = easy win

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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1st Gnar is balanced and has the most balance win/lost ratio 2nd I'm not the greatest Garen and I do play Darius well, doesnt mean that they arent easy to beat 3rd Garen can tank but if youre good, he will never reach your carries when they are low. And if youre good, you peel his ass. 4th Garen is easy to counterpick in lane 5th Rito took away his bleed MS unless you build BC, even if you get faster boots the top/jung/support is enough peel to stop him from reaching carries (not to mention FH and Randiun combo stops his AA completely) 6th ranged champions beats both of them 7th Jayce beats of them REALLY well 8th if Darius is facing me in the top lane, hes going to lose and goodluck trying to grab my adc with your under 550range E (btw almost all adc has 550+ range)

Darius+Garen = easy win

lol i know someone in real that we call mcgaren..... he is god with garen shows how easy it is O.o he is with almost any tank may it be pantheon or leona or cho gath or mundo honestly if i hadn't seen him play those i would say the same as you XD i can genuinely say i suck at playing tanks XD

the thing is dieing with a tank is almost a must..... people tend to forget the main purpose ^^ you are suppose to tank damage XD try to avoid 1 vs 1 battles just stick to team or at least 2vs- they both still have a instakill ult .o. with true damage that has no counter XD

i do have to say darius is more toxic than garen darius vs garen = darius wins mid to late

kekekeke ps its gnar his grow buff that is too much he becomes tankier with more damage while being mobile as small :/ he isn't balanced at all.... oh w8 im almost dead!!!!!!!! 0.0 :( 0.0 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH presses 1 button BOOM! 189758395639581965 hp back and defense and attack .o. . . is reverting back to small gnar after devastating crush V.V is jump away alive...... "."

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