With dragon and rift herald, its too easy to get sated stacks if youre ahead

Rain NT·Jan 29, 2016·7 votes·647 views

title said it all, if a sated champ is ahead.. it is extremely easy to get 30 stacks since dragon and rift herald BOTH gives 5 stacks and the jungler doesnt even need to kill the herald to receive the stack, I killed the jungler but his team killed the herald and he still got the stacks lol... not to mention scuttle gives 2 stacks as well and kills and jungle gives another stack.

Its too easy to snowball, I say reduce the stack of dragon from 5-4 and herald from 5-3. This is significantly reduce the free stacks just because they got lucky and got ahead cause you made one bad teamfight.

And I love shyvana and xin jungle, but damn its strong if the enemy team screws up once early

19 Comments

weeaboomerJan 29, 20162 votes

Devourer+rageblade=cancer and should get nerfed.

RebonackJan 29, 20162 votes

Still think Devourer should get Bloodrazor's old 4% max HP magic damage passive and just axe the farming aspect (and not to mention Phantom Hit) completely. It would still be great on champs who want attack speed without making OnHit itemization impossible to balance.

Nanuk PihoqahiakJan 29, 20161 votes

IMO Sated doesn't encourage healthy gameplay. A lot of players spend more time farming the jungle and feel discouraged from influencing a game until it's stacked. It's also something that will stack faster if you're ahead, as it's harder to oppose objectives that a Sated jungler might be going for.

SpoofghoulJan 29, 20161 votes

full clear + 2 scuttels + 2 epics = 20 stacks

So yea its a bit faster.

Rain NTJan 29, 20161 votes

Yeah its just too fast, the herald basically gave them a whole full clear if the other enemy cant defend it cause youre ahead or not in the right position to defend it. Before it was somewhat balance cause you only have to deal with dragon, but with both epic monsters.. jesus its fast lol

Slamurai JackJan 29, 20161 votes

That's to counterblance how much longer it takes to get Devourer compared to before. The increased cost of jungle items has pushed the average Sated time back by a couple minutes even with the rift scuttler giving 5 stacks. It's fine.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 29, 20161 votes

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That's to counterblance how much longer it takes to get Devourer compared to before. The increased cost of jungle items has pushed the average Sated time back by a couple minutes even with the rift scuttler giving 5 stacks. It's fine.

scuttle gives 2 stacks not 5. dragon gives 5. herald gives 1 so it doesn't really matter

Slamurai JackJan 29, 20161 votes

I meant rift herald, my bad. And it gives 5. It used to give 1 when it first came out, but it gives 5 now.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 29, 20161 votes

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I meant rift herald, my bad. And it gives 5. It used to give 1 when it first came out, but it gives 5 now.

oh wow. its practically possible to get sated 4-5 minutes after you buy deovure.

Slamurai JackJan 29, 20161 votes

The earliest you can get Sated is around 15 minutes, which is slightly slower than it was in season 5 even if everything goes perfect. When it doesn't go perfect, it takes about 2-3 minutes longer than average compared to last season.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 29, 20161 votes

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The earliest you can get Sated is around 15 minutes, which is slightly slower than it was in season 5 even if everything goes perfect. When it doesn't go perfect, it takes about 2-3 minutes longer than average compared to last season.

i got it in 15 today. without the herald. I just got the first drag at around 8 minutes and the second at 14. and stacking here and there

Dar RaksadaJan 29, 20161 votes

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The earliest you can get Sated is around 15 minutes, which is slightly slower than it was in season 5 even if everything goes perfect. When it doesn't go perfect, it takes about 2-3 minutes longer than average compared to last season.

I got it at 12:59 once, I have to say the stars lined up though. It's extremely unlikely. We were winning so hard sated didn't even matter.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 29, 20161 votes

yeah today i got sated at the 15 minute mark

KaiokoJan 29, 20161 votes

A sated jungler shouldn't be ahead and almost never is since he's got to focus on farm and ends up having much less presence in the lanes. If he's ahead you or your teammates have definitely gone wrong somewhere. Udyr, and yi don't exactly have strong ganks. Xin could do decently but his late game ends up disappointing for a jungler so focused on farming early.

The DeckownerJan 29, 20161 votes

did i hear someone said xin lategame is bad? oh it hurts me as a xin main who constantly 1v2 late game

KaiokoJan 29, 20161 votes

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did i hear someone said xin lategame is bad? oh it hurts me as a xin main who constantly 1v2 late game

He's only good if he manages to split push you can jump and kill someone but the cd isn't low enough to do that repeatedly or catch up if you're kited. And considering junglers shouldn't typically run teleport he's not idea for split pushing either.

The DeckownerJan 29, 20161 votes

he can easily dive backline, erwqaaaa easy win.

The DeckownerJan 29, 20161 votes

the only thing that should be changed is the rift herld stack, because of how easy and quick it can be killed(with dmg nerfed and 12% max hp) compare to dragon with much lesser possibility of enemy able to influence it(top jg mid instead of mid jg support adc and top tp to drag), it should give less stacks.

Best Valor NAJan 29, 20161 votes

6 minute CDs on Dragon and Rift Herald. Means you're only going to get 15 stacks from the two buffs all together, maybe 20 if you're REALLY ahead and ontop of your jungle game.