Unpopular Opinion: The Boards/Community SUCKS at champ design

chipndip1··5 votes·413 views

So before Illaoi came out, Idk how many of you remember, but there was clamoring on the boards about there being too much cc in the game. There were threads coming out about how it'd be great to get some more cc lacking tanky dudes like Garen. I'm not saying "Riot made Illaoi solely because of the boards", but I am saying that on-the-boards whining about cc preluded Illaoi's release. Turns out that splitting a tanky champ's power budget between damage dealt and cc serves as a decent balancing point, and without it Illaoi teeters on just doing way too much damage or not doing enough to be useful. When she was decently strong everyone hated her because she'd tentacle slap your life away, so now she's been nerfed to being more of an afterthought on the rift.

So we get to the point where mages in bot lane were getting to an all time high, right? And people were saying shit like "I WISH SUPPORTS WOULD DO NO DAMAGE LIKE JANNA", "SUPPORTS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN STAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE DAMAGE", and "REAL SUPPORTS DO 50 DAMAGE TOPS" and crap like that. And I made threads stating that if Riot were to make a support that has no damage potential, they're going to be garbage because others have damage AND enough utility to exist in bot lane. In other words, Soraka assuming we aren't making a Janna 2.0 where Janna the champ is so doubled down into defense that it's Lulu ridiculous, making a champ that only provides utility with no damage potential would be horrible for that champ.

Regardless, since I have no idea what I'M saying, the QQ continues and Riot eventually releases Rakan. Rakan is a support with basically 0 damage dealing potential, so where he would actually hurt people, Rakan just "moves around people". He replaces pain with dashes while sporting 2 forms of multi-target/aoe hard cc, a heal (although unreliable), and a poking spell. The result?

https://i.gyazo.com/cea8a95e5bf76528beb4ebc310ad5f15.png

He gets his lunch money stolen and sand kicked in his face in a ton of lanes, but he can't do anything about it. Later on, he scales into doing things, but there's supports out there that are already pretty good late game without suffering THIS BAD early on. This is basically repeating what we did with Taric, but no one gives a damn because it's the support role and supports don't get to be ANYTHING in this game apparently.

So lemme spell this out one more time: Unless we want supports that get clean outclassed by mages in the bot lane, or supports that are as annoying to people as Lulu is right now, or Soraka was before her nerf spree, denying supports of any damage dealing potential IS A BAD FUCKING IDEA.

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TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I agree. Better nerf Irelia

GoldaSniper1 votes

Agreed

Meep Man1 votes

I agree, but I don't recall people asking for less CC.

Darkdemon6531 votes

While that is Illaoi's problem, it's solely because of what her ult does. It places a zone where enemies are simply not allowed to enter. If enemies do enter, Illaoi will kill all of them solo and end with 100% health. If enemies don't enter, she's useless. At the very least, she needs power taken out of her ult and put into other places. I would also have the tentacles be attached to Illaoi to take away the binary-ness completely.

No one is asking for supports to deal no damage. Lulu is a great example of a champion who is offensive but still a support. The issue arises when offense is so much better than defense for supports that non-supports start going bottom lane as the support.

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I agree, but I don't recall people asking for less CC.

There's never been a huge wave of it; it's just something that happened fairly often.

chipndip11 votes

You clearly aren't on the G&B boards enough. TOO many people complain about supports "1 shotting" them (when we all know this is hyperbole), or that "supports should have a new stat so they never build ap and hurt me" or some shit. It's actually a common complaint. And Lulu isn't a good example of anything. She's a glorified shield bot unless she takes T. Lord's, and T. Lord's makes ANYONE hurt.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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You clearly aren't on the G&B boards enough. TOO many people complain about supports "1 shotting" them (when we all know this is hyperbole), or that "supports should have a new stat so they never build ap and hurt me" or some shit. It's actually a common complaint. And Lulu isn't a good example of anything. She's a glorified shield bot unless she takes T. Lord's, and T. Lord's makes ANYONE hurt.

Those complaints aren't about suppports. They're about mages like Zyra, Brand, and Malz who happen to often go bottom with the RAD and build the way a support would build.

Lulu deals plenty of damage in the laning phase.

chipndip11 votes

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Those complaints aren't about suppports. They're about mages like Zyra, Brand, and Malz who happen to often go bottom with the RAD and build the way a support would build.

Zyra and Brand have been played as support picks for years. Even then, all people do is whine about "Omg they do damage".

Lulu deals plenty of damage in the laning phase.

I guess it's more than Soraka, but let's not fool ourselves here on Lulu's laning. She's really only aggro when she's got T. Lord's.

chipndip11 votes

It was before Illaoi was released, so it was a bit ago. They were also whining for an end to 3 hit passives.

An Undead brat1 votes

Unpopular opinion? You clearly never ventured to Concepts and Creations, because that's the most mainstream opinion on these Boards.

UnboundHades1 votes

support rakan is trash ap rakan is where its at u peasant

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