If you're low ELO: "You're [insert ELO here], your opinion is trash, git gud."
If you're high ELO: "You're just a boosted player who got to their rank by playing no-skill freelo."
Otherwise: "You're just a [insert champion name here] main, you're biased and therefore your opinion is irrelevant."
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CarameI Frappe66 votesRiot: Free skin guys! Victorious 
is h-
Community: everyone flips their crap to no end
Riot: ... Ok, um ... how about popular picks then? 
Community: everyone says how Riot picks favorites and flames them harder
Riot: ......
[zombie-nunu-bummed]
I don't care if I get downvoted, it's true. People will always want either their champion to be given the free skin, a popular pick / impactful champ to get it, or an off-meta champ to get the respect they deserve. It's a lose / lose situation, cause I don't see Riot winning when they pick who's getting the Victorious skin.
CookyPrince6 votesHow about 
CarameI Frappe30 votesRiot: Ok, OK. How about 
??? Surely-
Community: Literally loses their minds on how champions they consider 'toxic' are getting the skin, therefore threatening Riot and spamming the forums with non stop whining.
Riot: ALRIGHT WHO THE HELL DO YOU GUYS WANT FOR VICTIROUS THEN?!!
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Community: .... Star Guardian 
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Riot:
Electro52210 votesSo true. I'm kind of with the community on the Victorious Maokai skin (simply cause it doesn't make sense), but it seems that no matter what direction Riot goes in, they get the short end of the stick. Yeah, you can never make everyone happy, but the fact that all negativity is louder than positivity must drive some people at Riot mad.
Ralanr2 votesThey shouldn't try to make everyone happy. A friend to everyone is a friend to no one.
MonkeyMadness13 votesI'd be 100% ok with victorious rek'sai. She only has 2 skins, and one of them is her launch skin. Also, she has been one of the most hotly contested jungle picks on the pro scene for 2 years now. And it's not like people weren't also playing her in soloQ. Maokai is just not meta. He had a couple months where he was ok, then the meta shifted and now no one uses him. Kind of a let down, tbh.
AramsAreBest1 votesI'd say during that time he was better than "OK"
MonkeyMadness2 votesHe's a top lane tank, you just can't hard carry as a top lane tank in season 6.
Edit: when I say "tank" I mean a real tank, not tank ekko, tank yasuo, etc.
Elikain2 votesExactly. No matter the specific skin for a specific champion, you will always find a subset of League players that would find a flaw in the pick. Especially if it's a skin for the unpopular champion.
rtbf2256182413 votesWell yes but at this point nobody wants Maokai as a Victorious champion, noone complained about Sivir because we were expecting it and noone complained about Morgana either or before that.
Skias2 votesWell yes but at this point nobody wants Maokai as a Victorious champion, noone complained about Sivir because we were expecting it and noone complained about Morgana either or before that.
Speak for yourself, I'm stoked about Maokai.
DrCyanide2 votesCan you site where he has had a significant impact in the Pro scene or Ranked in general this year? Because that's what qualifies someone for a Victorious skin, yet Maokai was more a flash in the pan, there for a few weeks early on in the year, but then hardly seen.
That's why I'm puzzled by the skin. Chances were pretty good that the skin was going to be for a champion I didn't own or didn't play anyway, but to have it not even make sense to pick that champion? Shen, Rek'sai, Gangplank, Viktor, Azir, Karma, Trundle, and others make far more sense for the Victorious skin than Maokai this year.
Skias1 votesCan you site where he has had a significant impact in the Pro scene or Ranked in general this year? Because that's what qualifies someone for a Victorious skin, yet Maokai was more a flash in the pan, there for a few weeks early on in the year, but then hardly seen.
That's why I'm puzzled by the skin. Chances were pretty good that the skin was going to be for a champion I didn't own or didn't play anyway, but to have it not even make sense to pick that champion? Shen, Rek'sai, Gangplank, Viktor, Azir, Karma, Trundle, and others make far more sense for the Victorious skin than Maokai this year.
Maokai has been a viable pick multiple times. He was a top top lane pick for a while too. Is still strong as well. Besides, who the hell wants victorious gangplank?
DrCyanide2 votesHe was a viable/contested pick for 3 or 4 weeks out of, what, 18 weeks for the combined Spring and Summer split? I'm pretty sure every champion I listed there (plus many I didn't) were seen far more regularly throughout the two splits.
Besides, who the hell wants victorious gangplank?
Want is the wrong word here. None of the conversation concerning a Victorious skin should be who wants champion X to have the skin. It should all be about which champion deserves the skin.
rtbf2256182412 votesFine 99% of the players then. He's weak right now, doesn't deserve the skin, has a boring kit that doesn't interact with the Victorious theme much and most players don't care about him because of his weakness. He's out of meta right now and has been for quite some time except when he was contested in the LCS for a week and THAT is supposted to make him better than...idk Ekko? Shen?
Skias1 votesFine 99% of the players then. He's weak right now, doesn't deserve the skin, has a boring kit that doesn't interact with the Victorious theme much and most players don't care about him because of his weakness. He's out of meta right now and has been for quite some time except when he was contested in the LCS for a week and THAT is supposted to make him better than...idk Ekko? Shen?
Ekko doesn't need the skin and Shen is weaker, more boring and clunkier. So by "theme" you mean Morgana as a dark angel is a good choice for a Victorious skin? These are some weak arguments. Not to mention Maokai is still a very viable and strong top champ. Not to mention, personally I'm sick to death of seeing and hearing about Ekko. Ekko and Yasuo, super anime champs. Its nice that the nerfs have removed Ekko from being a top pick for a bit.
rtbf2256182413 votes???
"Ekko doesn't need the skin" - Great argument. He's been relevant the whole Season and so has Shen. Maokai was relevant for a few weeks and disappeared after that.
Wtf are you talking about? Morgana's skin was high quality all the way except for the texture of her model. What's your "point"? She's a dark angel. And?
Maokai has been nerfed out of meta and lacks damage and scalings, you're delusional.
You're literally saying Ekko was a top pick and say he doesn't deserve a skin, contradicting your own logic.
I don't follow the Esports scene that much but i haven't seen a Maokai picked for ages aside from those 2 weeks when he was relevant next to the 9 months the Season has been going through and Shen, Ekko, Irelia, Trundle, etc. Those champions have been FAR more contested than...fucking Maokai who is boring and useless now.
Skias2 votes???
"Ekko doesn't need the skin" - Great argument. He's been relevant the whole Season and so has Shen. Maokai was relevant for a few weeks and disappeared after that.
Wtf are you talking about? Morgana's skin was high quality all the way except for the texture of her model. What's your "point"? She's a dark angel. And?
Maokai has been nerfed out of meta and lacks damage and scalings, you're delusional.
You're literally saying Ekko was a top pick and say he doesn't deserve a skin, contradicting your own logic.
I don't follow the Esports scene that much but i haven't seen a Maokai picked for ages aside from those 2 weeks when he was relevant next to the 9 months the Season has been going through and Shen, Ekko, Irelia, Trundle, etc. Those champions have been FAR more contested than...fucking Maokai who is boring and useless now.
No, Ekko was a top pick because of an openly abusive build that Riot has repeatedly nerfed and will yet again nerf soon. Not exactly the glowing beacon of sportsmanship if that is what you are getting at. You might think Maokai is boring, I think he's awesome. Guess what? It's an opinion. Fact: We're getting Maokai. Better luck next year.
rtbf2256182411 votesYour argument is "I don't like Ekko. He was nerfed btw."
That's beyond the point. He made a huge impact on the Esports season and that's no excuse. He is far more qualified than this boring shit.
You're basically "Idc, you're right but we're gtting this shit anyway and i like it."
And i'm speaking on the behalf of the majority.
Skias1 votesYour argument is "I don't like Ekko. He was nerfed btw."
That's beyond the point. He made a huge impact on the Esports season and that's no excuse. He is far more qualified than this boring shit.
You're basically "Idc, you're right but we're gtting this shit anyway and i like it."
And i'm speaking on the behalf of the majority.
No. I said he was a top pick because of an abusive and judging from the nerfs, unwanted play style. Everyone is fucking sick of ekko, you're not speaking for the majority. Fizz, Yasuo and Ekko are some of the most hated champs in the game. The only ones who want a skin are mains. But this conversation is pointless, because were getting Maokai not Ekko.
rtbf2256182411 votesYou do realize i'm saying this because you are literally the only person that doesn't agree with the majority? There were like 5 posts on the day of the announcement asking why the fck Maokai and they were all upvoted heavily. You are alone.
Saying "This is a toxic champ" is immature and unobjective. Regardless, you're completely ignoring Shen, Trundle, Kennen, Poppy, Illaoi, Jayce who are all far more qualified for a V.Skin except for Poppy cuz Battle Regalia already looks kinda like a V.Skin.
I don't want Maokai cuz he doesn't deserve it and is an uninteresting and boring candidate that doesn't qualify.
Skias1 votesYou do realize i'm saying this because you are literally the only person that doesn't agree with the majority? There were like 5 posts on the day of the announcement asking why the fck Maokai and they were all upvoted heavily. You are alone.
Saying "This is a toxic champ" is immature and unobjective. Regardless, you're completely ignoring Shen, Trundle, Kennen, Poppy, Illaoi, Jayce who are all far more qualified for a V.Skin except for Poppy cuz Battle Regalia already looks kinda like a V.Skin.
I don't want Maokai cuz he doesn't deserve it and is an uninteresting and boring candidate that doesn't qualify.
I'll just keep repeating myself until you get it. I never said toxic. I said Ekko was using an abusive BUILD which forced him into a top pick with other champs that were abusing the same thing until fixed. Fiora, Yi, Yasuo, all abusing the same tank build. They got nerfed, no longer top picks. Ekko is not a contender for a victorious skin by your own standard (which isn't the standard that Riot uses obviously, so your argument is moot there as well).
You have worked up some imaginary standard that champs get picked for the skin based on their pick rate during season or something.
You can have 300 upvotes on an opinion here. I was just having a conversation today with a few people on the reddit who think Maokai is a good pick. Basically, I'm saying you speak in hyperbole, are full of shit and don't realize the forum is a very very small vocal portion of the playerbase. Thus, why Riot doesn't bend to the will of the forums whenever they scream for something.
rtbf2256182411 votesEveryone is fucking sick of ekko,
No, Ekko was a top pick because of an openly abusive build..
That's what toxic means. Don't try to play the card of "I never said it." when the meaning is the same.
And? Fiora made no impact neither did Yasuo because they were played in unintended ways with Tank Yasuo and Yi isn't even a top laner.
What do you mean "That Riot uses there"? They put Victorious skins on champions on ones that have made a significant impact on the Esports Scene during the Seasons.
This is the first time The Victorious skin gets a ton of backlash.
You mean you spoke with the 3 people in the bottom of the comments section who have been shot full of dislikes.
I spoke with a few Maokai mains the other day who don't want this shit.
You also ignored the rest of the candidates which means you're the one who's full of bullshit.
Skias1 votesThat's what toxic means. Don't try to play the card of "I never said it." when the meaning is the same.
And? Fiora made no impact neither did Yasuo because they were played in unintended ways with Tank Yasuo and Yi isn't even a top laner.
What do you mean "That Riot uses there"? They put Victorious skins on champions on ones that have made a significant impact on the Esports Scene during the Seasons.
This is the first time The Victorious skin gets a ton of backlash.
You mean you spoke with the 3 people in the bottom of the comments section who have been shot full of dislikes.
I spoke with a few Maokai mains the other day who don't want this shit.
You also ignored the rest of the candidates which means you're the one who's full of bullshit.
You are so full of shit. Yasuo and Fiora's tank builds didn't make an impact? What fucking rock were you under?
This argument is irrelevant. You can stay salty, but you're getting a fucking Maokai skin. Get over it. I'm glad you took the time out of your day to consult the board of Maokais that you didn't actually talk to and are just bullshitting about.
This is the last comment I'm making on the subject, because talking with you is like speaking with a wall. Have a good one, good luck next season.
rtbf2256182412 votesAh yes..the typical "I just realized how wrong i am but i have nothing to argue against with so i'll just rage my way out of this." argument.
Pathetic. Grow up, you didn't even counter-argue. You just accused random crap on me with basically "No u!" and "You're lying." when i could easily say the same seeing how low you are descending with your delusional logic.
The truth is, this skin will suck and noone wants it. A shit reward for a shit Season. Period.
Biff Manly7 votesWow, it's almost like different people are complaining on the different sides. Weird, I always thought people on the internet were some kind of hive mind if they disagreed with me.
RainbowIcee2 votesI bet if viktor got that skin no one would have complained though so your comment while on point it's very specific and forced to it.
CarameI Frappe3 votesI think may be the only champion with the least amount of backlash for a few reasons:
So yeah, perhaps Riot should of went with him. Then again, this community would of complained or found reasons to hate Riot for choosing Viktor.
wakefire3 votes*Viktorious
Desolas Arterius11 votesToo close to home </3
Damned if you do, damned if you dont. Feels bad man :(
SpookyNeedle11 votes
has nearly an exact 50% winrate, why hate her?
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Keepe2 votesI hate her because she's a weak Demacian. =D
TheAceInShades2 votesBecause her winrate against all my favorite champs is much much higher.
A Superb Villain4 votesThose who hate Fiora cannot recognize greatness.
SpookyNeedle1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Superb Villain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zkKIRGQ8,comment-id=000f0002,timestamp=2016-10-05T03:50:49.696+0000)
Those who hate Fiora cannot recognize greatness.
:D
Sir Fuzzi3 votesIs it truly possible to hate a booty so fine? It's like all the Sona haters...
Do you have some sort of contentious issue with ample bosoms? Have you no respect, no love for such gifts?
Let's stop all this hatred-causing balance talk and join in mutual respect for the glorious, glorious ladies of League... balance splits us apart, but physics-defying assets will bring us closer.
New Tool Album2 votestrue damage cough cough, i'm sorry i will go now...... here have a cookie, besides the fact that she can burst the ever living shit out of you all game 
WarlockLaw3 votesBecause she stepped on the identity and niche that Vayne had, and manages to do it better.
Astôlfo7 votesBut… Vayne has range, builds more attack speed, crit, has stealth, and faster and more definite CC (Condemn vs situationality of Riposte) and applies true damage easier (point and click autos).
Fiora is usually more durable and builds health/bruiser items as well, needs a specific target to proc the true damage, and has the potential to block anything.
They both have their own strengths.
Akali is SO HOT11 votesOtherwise: You're just a [insert champion name here] main, you're biased and therefore your opinion is irrelevant.
Me in a nutshell
Troll for Trump6 votesIf you complain about a champion that's widely hated "WTF, you're trash, stop jumping on the hate train and git gud. X champ has soooo much counterplay and is totally balanced"
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Robrono5 votesThis exactly how it is when I try and give people advice for playing against Yasuo.
Leetri3 votesPeople don't want advice, they want everyone else to be weaker so they can continue to play the same way they've always done and still win. Sadly you can't change that mentality, unless you've invented a mindcontrol device.
BawlsDeeply3 votesI am a silver scrub so victorious skins do not matter to me but i am still going to put my 2 cents in. In my opinion the end of the season Victorious skin should reflect the Meta and reflect a champion who had the greatest impact on the Season in both High elo and Competitive Maokai just doesn't fit that criteria
Auroraen3 votesYour gonna put using the correct your/you're past these boards? :V
Sir Fuzzi2 votesYou described all of League. Trying to win is tryhard, losing is because you're noob trash.
Remember, true balance is every champion having exactly 50% winrate everywhere, at all times.
onlydreamsnow2 votesAnd they are like : Oh look at his name, RALN, R stands for roses A stands for apple, L stands for leaf and N stands for north, and if you put them all together : rosesappleleafnorth, you can clearly see yasuos face in his name. Must be a yasuo main!
I Ward A Lot1 votesThere is a lack of balance in every champion to an extent. There have been times in the past where champs have been very broken in the past such as season 4 Kassadin and the whole Cinderhulk thing. I will say however; that since those times and maybe actually the juggernauts as well, this game has been cleaner of things that have been genuinely game breaking and unfair to play against. That being said, there will always be an unbalance of quality of champions and certain champs are much harder to balance than others. Such as Vayne, Rengar YASUO, LEBLANC, Xin, and really any other snowballing champs. Those are the kinds of champs that people have a problem with and complain about. Including me, because when one of these champs gets out of hand such as the current vayne who can one shot people later which is you know, pretty stupid. I think that these things need to be dealt with immediately with a giant nerf hammer.
