Bear with me on this, but Karma seriously needs a nerf.

JamesTheMage17··5 votes·1,330 views

Karma is overall way too strong, and here's why.

Problem 1: Mantra+Q damage, at any level, does a minimum of 40% of your health, and caps at about 85% Lategame. This has been the biggest problem with karma since she had this. The damage is unjustified and broken especially for a Mage that focuses on other stats and not just full AP. At level 1, karma can do between 150 and 250 damage to you with her Q depending on your MR, and to other mages and supports like her, that about 46% of their health. Midgame, it falls at about 550-750, and Lategame, it's about 900-1550, usually being above 1000 since people build more armor than MR right now. The CD caps at about 8-9 seconds early game, and Lategame it falls to a minimum of 3-5 seconds. And you thought Karma was balanced.

Problem 2: Mantra+W Root duration. It's 3.25 seconds, passing Morganas Q, which was thought to be the longest until you read this. Without mantra it's less, but with mantra, ITS 3.25 SECONDS. You read right, 3.25. (By then, her Q is back up for the broken damage) aside from the ridiculous scaling and hidden power this ability has, this root duration is mindblowingly stupid, the longest movement cancel in the game.

Problem 3: The BS heal from mantra and W. Let me just say, what was riot thinking? She never has to leave lane since she can regenerate 40% of her missing health whenever her mantra is back up (which is a very short CD) and, even at low levels like 1 through 5, she can still regen 200-400 health max with a single ability. And if this wasn't op enough, it has an AP scaling of 1%. This might seem bad, but with two ticks, she can eventually gain about 14% of her health as bonus healing, considering they don't take a full AP build (which would be like 24%).

Problem 4: The scaling on her W. Enough said for that one.

Problem 5: Lastly, she can give her entire team a ridiculous boost of movement speed and a very heavily scaling shield, even with a good base shield too. This is broken during fights that have more than two people involved, (even op then), and is honestly too powerful.

Now that you've seen my reasons, I hope some people realize the hidden overpowering in karma and why she's so op.

23 Comments

Caítlyn8 votes

She has only one real reliable damage skill. And so what if she snares you for 10 seconds? What is she going to do then? Auto attack?

Ratbert5 votes

All you're saying is that her ult makes her skills stronger than basic skills. She can't do all of that at once and problem 5 can be on anyone with talisman and locket anyways.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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All you're saying is that her ult makes her skills stronger than basic skills. She can't do all of that at once and problem 5 can be on anyone with talisman and locket anyways.

So you're saying that two items combined hardly make up the effect of one basic skill she has, and she can instakill anyone with Q+R and W.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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So you're saying that two items combined hardly make up the effect of one basic skill she has, and she can instakill anyone with Q+R and W.

How is Karma insta killing you with that? Are you underlvld and with no MR whatsoever while standing still against a fed as hell Karma? That's the only way for her to insta kill anyone

JamesTheMage171 votes

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How is Karma insta killing you with that? Are you underlvld and with no MR whatsoever while standing still against a fed as hell Karma? That's the only way for her to insta kill anyone

No I'm not. I guess the two ridiculously scaling abilities, 90% health nuke, and untouchable shield might've been able to?

Abyssphere3 votes

When's the last time a Karma snared you for 3.25 seconds?

JamesTheMage171 votes

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When's the last time a Karma snared you for 3.25 seconds?

The last time I fought a karma, which she is very popular right now.

Eternal 7 2 votes

idk , i dont see many karmas , but i do feel her tethers range is kind of ... too long , longer than what it looks at least

Fawksea3 votes

comparing it to leblancs i feel like its pretty balanced

Eternal 7 1 votes

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comparing it to leblancs i feel like its pretty balanced

XD hers is long too hahah , im not saying the tether isnt balanced , it just seems like its longer than what it actually shows , even when you have movespeed , its like it still gets you somehow :P

Fawksea2 votes

lmao one week of an item increasing her shields and people bitch about karma why dont people let other champions have a spotlight? she's always done this much damage, she's good early-mid and sucks late game unless for some reason she's fed (if she's mid then her damage is decent compared to other mages late game) also the bitching about her mantra'd w even tho its rarely used with ult unless someone's diving you and you haven't used your ult on q or e yet. ye it heals but its still rarely used when you could A- do more damage or B- bigger shield for you/allies. and "mantra has a short cooldown" i didnt know 46-32 seconds short? also omg the shield bitching, "large movespeed" aight that is true its a good movespeed buff on it. "very heavily scaling shield" ????? its fucking 50% child, if she has 400 ap and shield is maxed she will only have a 400hp shield, "oh her ult increases it" yea on ONE person. karma is literally not even close to op, most mid laners can shut her down easily if they know how karma works as a support shes honestly only a problem if you're a tank support and ignore the fact you can all in her if she uses her ult

JamesTheMage171 votes

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lmao one week of an item increasing her shields and people bitch about karma why dont people let other champions have a spotlight? she's always done this much damage, she's good early-mid and sucks late game unless for some reason she's fed (if she's mid then her damage is decent compared to other mages late game) also the bitching about her mantra'd w even tho its rarely used with ult unless someone's diving you and you haven't used your ult on q or e yet. ye it heals but its still rarely used when you could A- do more damage or B- bigger shield for you/allies. and "mantra has a short cooldown" i didnt know 46-32 seconds short? also omg the shield bitching, "large movespeed" aight that is true its a good movespeed buff on it. "very heavily scaling shield" ????? its fucking 50% child, if she has 400 ap and shield is maxed she will only have a 400hp shield, "oh her ult increases it" yea on ONE person. karma is literally not even close to op, most mid laners can shut her down easily if they know how karma works as a support shes honestly only a problem if you're a tank support and ignore the fact you can all in her if she uses her ult

A few things:

  1. You're obviously a karma main if you're going to curse me out defending a champion who I just listed actual reasons why they're overpowered and you're just spewing cursing and nonsense to defend someone.
  2. 48-32 is the shortest cooldown for any ultimate in this game (besides corki) and her passive literally makes it so that its reduced everytime she attacks an enemy champion, that is short.
  3. You state that nobody's ever going to use her mantra for her W, so she is underpowered. Ok I guess it makes it balanced because it's underused?
  4. And finally, her damage is NOT comparable to other mages, considering she has way more utility and defense. One of the biggest slows in the game, the longest root in the game by far, and another huge slow, with her uncomparable damage (1350 from one ability, on AVERAGE.) Top it off with a 40% max health heal, and you've got an extremely overpowered Mage that only mains like you will defend.
SlampieceHawke2 votes

No. The only thing I can possibly sympathize with is that she makes abusers like Caitlyn Jhin more cancer when paired up in the bot lane. In this case, those two adc's are the abusers, not Karma.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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No. The only thing I can possibly sympathize with is that she makes abusers like Caitlyn Jhin more cancer when paired up in the bot lane. In this case, those two adc's are the abusers, not Karma.

I'm talking about karma midlane, not full support build Karma. Actually read the thread before making such a "you're wrong, I'm right" post.

Karbuncle2 votes

wahh so a single target mage can nuke a single target,lets just pretend aoe mages deleting your entire team while you're hard CC'd aren't a thing.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

Unfortunately.She needs nerf.She isn't op or broken but she needs.Karma's damage is enough and her shield is very much.

IxtaliKing1 votes

Karma nerfs will be on the next pbe cycle, her 1st actual nerf ever I believe. I assume riot will tone down her shield (RE) since the last buff they gave to her shield was unnecessary and uncalled for.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

No, she does not need any nerfs besides her possible shield scalings, which they buffed awhile ago which she really didn't need. She's a battle/burst mage, and her only real source damage is her Q, so of course it's going to be loaded. Stop QQing, man. Morgana's Q is up to 3 seconds full rank because it's more reliable to hit, besides dodging. Karma's tether can be EASILY broken, so they give her a little help if she hits it by giving her a root that long.

She's really not that bad. I see more Annie QQ's than Karma, but really bro. Learn to play against her and stop bitching. Thanks.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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No, she does not need any nerfs besides her possible shield scalings, which they buffed awhile ago which she really didn't need. She's a battle/burst mage, and her only real source damage is her Q, so of course it's going to be loaded. Stop QQing, man. Morgana's Q is up to 3 seconds full rank because it's more reliable to hit, besides dodging. Karma's tether can be EASILY broken, so they give her a little help if she hits it by giving her a root that long.

She's really not that bad. I see more Annie QQ's than Karma, but really bro. Learn to play against her and stop bitching. Thanks.

You could not be more wrong, and I'll show you why. Morganas q at max rank is 3 seconds? That's nice, because karmas is 3.25. Morgana has one of the slowest skill shots in the game, while karmas is TARGETED and has more range than the cast range itself. So apparentally Morganas root is WAY more powerful and much harder to stop than karmas. How about YOU stop bitching?

SnugglePuggle941 votes

You need to read. Karma's is targeted, YES, but can be easily BROKEN. Morgana's can be dodged, but can't be broken unless you QSS it. And I wasn't bitching. You are bitching about a mage that is doing her job. Get over yourself.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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You need to read. Karma's is targeted, YES, but can be easily BROKEN. Morgana's can be dodged, but can't be broken unless you QSS it. And I wasn't bitching. You are bitching about a mage that is doing her job. Get over yourself.

Will do. In the meantime, how about taking some anger management lessons? FYI, I did read, and think you main her even more than before.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I don't main Karma but play her a good bit. And my anger issues are just fine. I've been pretty cool here actually. But the more you rattle on the more I want to get angry.

IxtaliKing3 votes

While I agree with you that Karma shouldn't have a 3.25s root in her kit, she does only max W last so she will only be able to do that level 18. If she decided to max W second then she can reach her full root potential root at level 16, this is a much less optimal build path though.

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